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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Draz wrote: |
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ps. draz, it's not so much the size/width of the hips that matters, what matters is the hip to waist ratio. (at least from Western perspective) In fact, it's a ratio universally used by sociologists who conduct studies as to what makes us "tick", etc. |
Everyone knows that but...
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| Some researchers have found that the waist-hip ratio (WHR) is a significant measure of female attractiveness. Women with a 0.7 WHR are usually rated as more attractive by men from European cultures. Such diverse beauty icons as Audrey Hepburn, Marilyn Monroe, Sophia Loren and even the Venus de Milo all have or had ratios close to 0.7, even though they all have different weights and heights. In other cultures, preferences appear to vary according to some studies, ranging from 0.6 in China, to 0.8 or 0.9 in parts of South America and Africa, and divergent preferences based on ethnicity, rather than nationality, have also been noted. |
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no surprise there!
I know they like them big in Africa and in the Middle East (ever notice how Arab women blow up like balloons after 18 or the birth of a child?)
The Chinese/ "NE Asian" preferences are also not a surprise.
but I am very curious about "parts of South America". I'm fairly familiar with that continent and I'll have to call massive BS on this. While they're certainly more into meatier behinds (especially in places like Brazil where there is a national cult of the "bunda") this doesn't really come at the expense of significantly wider midsections. |
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kg2095
Joined: 23 May 2009
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Bucheonguy wrote: |
They discriminate because it's the same as being a drug addict. It's a life choice. If you don't wanna be fat, lose weight.
They discriminate because obesity is disgusting. |
Both overeating and drug abuse are often a symptom of psychological problems such as depression or bulimia.
It's not always as simple as a lifestyle choice. |
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beercanman
Joined: 16 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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learned a new word today
Priapism
sounds painful and embarrassing
this one sounds better:
Tumescence |
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poeticjustice
Joined: 28 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's important to distinguish between fat and "chubby." Some people simply can't be thin enough to wrap both your hands around their waist and have your fingers meet. While they're not fat, they're not thin either yet they don't look like they're unhealthy.
I think of a 5"10 (average) guy who is between 170-190 pounds and a 5"5 girl who is between 130-150 pounds. Not big, not tiny... in my opinion, nothing wrong.
It's when men/women push the 200 pound mark (without muscle and depending on how tall they are) that they start crossing into fat terroritory and once they get over 230 they're in obese territory. Sorry this isn't being technical, someone might want to check the BMI rates and such.
The problem with Westerners is that too f*cking many of them are 250+ pounds and sometimes up in the 300s. That's disgusting and I do not want to see that. For me to imagine what thats like I have to think about having an additional me to carry around.
Sometimes I see one of these big obese mofos standing at a bus stop in Korea somewhere. Once I realize it's a foreigner I feel ashamed of my culture and wonder what kind of message those kind of foreigners are sending to Koreans.
In Japan they have weight restrictions on jobs. If you weigh over a certain amount, then you aren't qualified for the job. They need to start doing that in the West instead of treating it as a form of discrimination. |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| In Japan they have weight restrictions on jobs. If you weigh over a certain amount, then you aren't qualified for the job. They need to start doing that in the West instead of treating it as a form of discrimination. |
I bash fatsos as much as anyone, but that's a bit ridiculous.
depends on the job.
Obviously I don't want a lardass as a host/hostess or any role that presents him/her as the 'face' of the franchise, etc.
but if the guy,girl is a genius with numbers or anything else and makes me money, I'll hire him/her over the brainless fit poseur any day of the week (and Sunday)
perhaps you may be referring to occupations like "sky waitress" where they like to pretend that looks aren't the primary requirement for the position. Ergo, now because of court battles, we're treated to old and fat battleaxes on American flights. |
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kantoi09
Joined: 02 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| First of all, I will admit that I am an obese person that has a lot weight to lose. However, some of you on the board refer to obese people as less than human. When I hear things like that it causes me to question the self-rigtheousness of thin. Just because you are thin does not mean that you are doing the life well or that you are better for it. Some of you people are so self-righteous. I bet that if I analyze any of your lives , (and this is to the crude, insensitive people on this board) I will find your vices, the things that you struggle to do better at but many times fail at. I truley believe that when a person is centered , know themselves, and truly take care of themselves it is not in their vocabularly to look down on another person. Honestly, reading in between some of your lines, I see that manyof you people are insecure which leads you to critize others so easily. Yes, in many cases obesity demonstrates a lack of self-care and even self-love but I think we all struggle with that and those who are more considerate see that and know that. Let's keep real , we are all human. And I know for most people wHo struggle with obesity ,it's not just about self-control but more about emotional and pyschological issues. We all have our drugs. Some eat, others shop, others are in extreme debt, others hide from the real world, and etc. We all have it and those of you who can judge myself and other obese people are either not aware of your own struggles or are too sick to even deal with it. The reason obesity is so hard for people to be sensitive/compassion towards is because we don't want to look at how we each lack some kind of self-control in our lives. You are right , myself and many other obese people lack some self-control and self-discipline , but I have to come to realize many other people do ,too. But theirs is just hidden from the world and even from them selves. Anyway, try using your critical thinking skills instead of depending on elementary reasoning on the issue. We are all at least college graduates. Sorry for misspelling and grammatical errors , but I had to write this in a hurry. |
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Changwon Charlie
Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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People that say that nobody calls you fat in Korea
If you understand Korean well you can hear tham saying it all the time.
Many Koreans think that many of the foreigners that come over here are disgusting and I have to agree.
I haven't lived in a western country (originally from England) for over 20 years and have lived here in Korea for over 15 years and am shocked at how fat some people are over there now. It isn't the genes, it is the diets and some people are just too lazy or stupid to not change.
I think the PC culture in the west has gotten to be ridiculous. People need to be called out on being fat so they get some motivation to do something about it instead of being ignorant about it.
I genuinely feel sorry for people with a gene problem but for 95% of fat people that isn't it. Get some exercise and take some pride in yourself. If you were my child I would be telling you to get off your fat backside. |
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kg2095
Joined: 23 May 2009
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| First of all, I will admit that I am an obese person that has a lot weight to lose. However, some of you on the board refer to obese people as less than human. When I hear things like that it causes me to question the self-rigtheousness of thin. Just because you are thin does not mean that you are doing the life well or that you are better for it. Some of you people are so self-righteous. I bet that if I analyze any of your lives , (and this is to the crude, insensitive people on this board) I will find your vices, the things that you struggle to do better at but many times fail at. I truley believe that when a person is centered , know themselves, and truly take care of themselves it is not in their vocabularly to look down on another person. Honestly, reading in between some of your lines, I see that manyof you people are insecure which leads you to critize others so easily. Yes, in many cases obesity demonstrates a lack of self-care and even self-love but I think we all struggle with that and those who are more considerate see that and know that. Let's keep real , we are all human. And I know for most people wHo struggle with obesity ,it's not just about self-control but more about emotional and pyschological issues. We all have our drugs. Some eat, others shop, others are in extreme debt, others hide from the real world, and etc. We all have it and those of you who can judge myself and other obese people are either not aware of your own struggles or are too sick to even deal with it. The reason obesity is so hard for people to be sensitive/compassion towards is because we don't want to look at how we each lack some kind of self-control in our lives. You are right , myself and many other obese people lack some self-control and self-discipline , but I have to come to realize many other people do ,too. But theirs is just hidden from the world and even from them selves. Anyway, try using your critical thinking skills instead of depending on elementary reasoning on the issue. We are all at least college graduates. Sorry for misspelling and grammatical errors , but I had to write this in a hurry. |
I completely agree with you.
It's horrifying to see the type of hateful, mean-spirited responses posted by some of us who are entrusted with the education of children. |
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Changwon Charlie
Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| kg2095 wrote: |
| kantoi09 wrote: |
| First of all, I will admit that I am an obese person that has a lot weight to lose. However, some of you on the board refer to obese people as less than human. When I hear things like that it causes me to question the self-rigtheousness of thin. Just because you are thin does not mean that you are doing the life well or that you are better for it. Some of you people are so self-righteous. I bet that if I analyze any of your lives , (and this is to the crude, insensitive people on this board) I will find your vices, the things that you struggle to do better at but many times fail at. I truley believe that when a person is centered , know themselves, and truly take care of themselves it is not in their vocabularly to look down on another person. Honestly, reading in between some of your lines, I see that manyof you people are insecure which leads you to critize others so easily. Yes, in many cases obesity demonstrates a lack of self-care and even self-love but I think we all struggle with that and those who are more considerate see that and know that. Let's keep real , we are all human. And I know for most people wHo struggle with obesity ,it's not just about self-control but more about emotional and pyschological issues. We all have our drugs. Some eat, others shop, others are in extreme debt, others hide from the real world, and etc. We all have it and those of you who can judge myself and other obese people are either not aware of your own struggles or are too sick to even deal with it. The reason obesity is so hard for people to be sensitive/compassion towards is because we don't want to look at how we each lack some kind of self-control in our lives. You are right , myself and many other obese people lack some self-control and self-discipline , but I have to come to realize many other people do ,too. But theirs is just hidden from the world and even from them selves. Anyway, try using your critical thinking skills instead of depending on elementary reasoning on the issue. We are all at least college graduates. Sorry for misspelling and grammatical errors , but I had to write this in a hurry. |
I completely agree with you.
It's horrifying to see the type of hateful, mean-spirited responses posted by some of us who are entrusted with the education of children. |
The problem is that all your life you haven't been told because it is afraid somebody will hurt your feelings when really you should be told....not in the nasty way that children tease each other but in the matter-of-fact way Koreans do.
I am not trying to be nasty about it...just pointing out that to be ignorant about it is not good. You need to start doing something about it. Exercise, change your diet and everything in moderation..... |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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The problem is that all your life you haven't been told because it is afraid somebody will hurt your feelings when really you should be told....not in the nasty way that children tease each other but in the matter-of-fact way Koreans do.
I am not trying to be nasty about it...just pointing out that to be ignorant about it is not good. You need to start doing something about it. Exercise, change your diet and everything in moderation..... |
Are you really saying that fat people don't realize they're fat? That when they walk from point A to point B, they can't connect their shortness of breath to their corpulence? Damn, if that is so, then I'd say these select fatsos have problems much more serious than mere overnutrition. |
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kg2095
Joined: 23 May 2009
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Changwon Charlie wrote: |
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| kantoi09 wrote: |
| First of all, I will admit that I am an obese person that has a lot weight to lose. However, some of you on the board refer to obese people as less than human. When I hear things like that it causes me to question the self-rigtheousness of thin. Just because you are thin does not mean that you are doing the life well or that you are better for it. Some of you people are so self-righteous. I bet that if I analyze any of your lives , (and this is to the crude, insensitive people on this board) I will find your vices, the things that you struggle to do better at but many times fail at. I truley believe that when a person is centered , know themselves, and truly take care of themselves it is not in their vocabularly to look down on another person. Honestly, reading in between some of your lines, I see that manyof you people are insecure which leads you to critize others so easily. Yes, in many cases obesity demonstrates a lack of self-care and even self-love but I think we all struggle with that and those who are more considerate see that and know that. Let's keep real , we are all human. And I know for most people wHo struggle with obesity ,it's not just about self-control but more about emotional and pyschological issues. We all have our drugs. Some eat, others shop, others are in extreme debt, others hide from the real world, and etc. We all have it and those of you who can judge myself and other obese people are either not aware of your own struggles or are too sick to even deal with it. The reason obesity is so hard for people to be sensitive/compassion towards is because we don't want to look at how we each lack some kind of self-control in our lives. You are right , myself and many other obese people lack some self-control and self-discipline , but I have to come to realize many other people do ,too. But theirs is just hidden from the world and even from them selves. Anyway, try using your critical thinking skills instead of depending on elementary reasoning on the issue. We are all at least college graduates. Sorry for misspelling and grammatical errors , but I had to write this in a hurry. |
I completely agree with you.
It's horrifying to see the type of hateful, mean-spirited responses posted by some of us who are entrusted with the education of children. |
The problem is that all your life you haven't been told because it is afraid somebody will hurt your feelings when really you should be told....not in the nasty way that children tease each other but in the matter-of-fact way Koreans do.
I am not trying to be nasty about it...just pointing out that to be ignorant about it is not good. You need to start doing something about it. Exercise, change your diet and everything in moderation..... |
I haven't been told? There's a good reason for that - I'm not fat.
But being slim does not prevent me from putting myself in other people's shoes and having a bit of compassion. |
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Changwon Charlie
Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't been told? There's a good reason for that - I'm not fat.
But being slim does not prevent me from putting myself in other people's shoes and having a bit of compassion. |
I have compassion...I am also a realist.
Helping a person face facts instead (as my mother used to say) of being mollycoddled and lose that weight means a better quality for person involved.
That is pretty compassionate if you ask me. I am trying to help my fellow man.
I highly recommend bike riding, great cardio exercise. |
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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Well there is good news.
If you're fat, you can move to Japan and go into Sumo competitions. |
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kg2095
Joined: 23 May 2009
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| Changwon Charlie wrote: |
| kg2095 wrote: |
I haven't been told? There's a good reason for that - I'm not fat.
But being slim does not prevent me from putting myself in other people's shoes and having a bit of compassion. |
I have compassion...I am also a realist.
Helping a person face facts instead (as my mother used to say) of being mollycoddled and lose that weight means a better quality for person involved.
That is pretty compassionate if you ask me. I am trying to help my fellow man.
I highly recommend bike riding, great cardio exercise. |
| Changwon Charlie wrote: |
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Many Koreans think that many of the foreigners that come over here are disgusting and I have to agree.
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Changwon Charlie
Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Just because I think being obese is disguisting doesn't mean I have no compassion for them.
I find it disgusting that they do nothing about it. |
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