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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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You are right, she didn't ask for it
But you are very wrong if you think all man are controlled, rational creatures capable of calm judgment and good behaviour etc. Maybe some psychos etc once were before they got messed up or made some bad decisions that lead them to being messed up. Some just have bad wiring in their brains, it's purely chemical. Some have been treated bad by women in their lives and got so hurt by it that they have gone pathological and want revenge... But whether they were born like it, brutalised into being like it or eventually they somehow got messed up - sadly there are a very small minority of them in any city on any friday or saturday night in bars or clubs. Read the papers.
So girls should be careful.
There it is. Not fair, not kind.
But it' the way things are. Please do not be so naive INP as you come across in this thread and do not try to spread such naive ideas to other women... it's irresponsible even though your intentions aren't bad. |
One more time. I have not in any way suggested that going to a love motel with a strange, drunk man you just met is a reasonable, rational or intelligent thing to do. I'm not suggesting that it's unlikely very terrible things could result from such a situation, particularly if you change your mind halfway through.
What I am saying is, it is not a natural, biological function of a man to beat the crap out of a girl because she doesn't want to have sex with him, no matter how turned on he is. I'm not naive in the least -- I know what goes on, all too often. Which is why it grates on my very soul to hear other men (and even sometimes women) claim that it's behavior that is determined by the Y chromosome and therefore cannot be helped. Men need to be held accountable for their actions. Hitting a woman is a choice. No matter what issues you have. You are responsible, if you have such tendencies, for recognizing that it is not normal and it is not okay and you need to get help and sort yourself out, staying away from both alcohol and women in the meantime.
If refusing to go along with OTOS's reasoning that it's just the way God made men and being infuriated by the dismissal of the man's responsibility in the situation because he 'couldn't help it' is naive, then so be it. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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I am going to follow the general sentiment here...
In Korea when a woman goes back to a love motel room with a man it is EXPECTED she is putting out if she voluntarily went back together.
She has no chance with any legal win....just live and learn. |
An unbelievable lack of reading comprehension skills from a group of people who are supposedly teachers. The issue is not whether or not a man is or isn't expecting sex if you go back to a love hotel with him.
The woman was ASSAULTED! You know, punched in the head a couple times. I'm not sure where some of you people come from but punching a woman in the face a couple times isn't normally included among the standard pleasures of taking her into your bed.
If she has evidence of the assualt I am positive action could be taken. I'm not expert on Korean law but I would imagine there isn't a provision for smacking around a woman for teasing you. |
I am all for trying to take action. I am an action taking kind of person, but don't necessarily be surprised if you find it impossible to get anywhere. Will the cops be willing to investigate? This isn't America.
They often don't bother investigating. Yes, sometimes that happens in the West, but here you hear about it all the time. I know a girl who knows another who was walking late at night in Itaewon. She was savaged beyond belief on the sidewalk. She was so messed up physically. She was also drunk and stuff and the cops brought that up instead of being very helpful. There is no excuse for such behavior amongst people who are supposed to protect both men and women.
Abuse against women occurs in all countries, but you need a justice system that administers justice properly, IMHO. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Heck, we have taxi drivers raping foreign women and not being prosecuted.... you think Korean authorities are going to do something about a guy she went to a motel with? |
When? Are you talking about the taxi driver that raped an American (female) GI and was prosecuted?
Are there other instances? |
No, the other woman in Hongdae attacked about three years ago... the taxi driver wasn't convicted. Not sure if they ever properly identified him.
Criminals drive taxis because it's the only job they can get. Two years ago, a popular TV program said that approximately 40 percent of the taxis on the roads were illegal contract taxis.
By the way, since you PM'd me asking me to respond to your comment in this thread, I'd like to ask you what your response is to the several cases posted by Real Reality on page 1.
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| Heck, we have taxi drivers raping foreign women and not being prosecuted.... you think Korean authorities are going to do something about a guy she went to a motel with? |
When? Are you talking about the taxi driver that raped an American (female) GI and was prosecuted?
Are there other instances? |
No, the other woman in Hongdae attacked about three years ago... the taxi driver wasn't convicted. Not sure if they ever properly identified him.
Criminals drive taxis because it's the only job they can get. Two years ago, a popular TV program said that approximately 40 percent of the taxis on the roads were illegal contract taxis. |
i know a girl that had a run in with a taxi driver...she had to kick and scream until he backed off...she didn't report it, she just got out. happens more than we know i would guess. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
What I am saying is, it is not a natural, biological function of a man to beat the crap out of a girl because she doesn't want to have sex with him, no matter how turned on he is. |
It is, for some. If you really don't think so, then how would you explain the large number of abusive men out there in the world? Rapists and whatnot? Obviously there are many different motivations, but I bet for some, it is truly biological.
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| I'm not naive in the least -- I know what goes on, all too often. Which is why it grates on my very soul to hear other men (and even sometimes women) claim that it's behavior that is determined by the Y chromosome and therefore cannot be helped. |
Who has made that claim? I don't think anyone who has said, "That's just the way men are" has added, "and they can't help themselves" or something to that effect.
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| Men need to be held accountable for their actions. Hitting a woman is a choice. No matter what issues you have. You are responsible, if you have such tendencies, for recognizing that it is not normal and it is not okay and you need to get help and sort yourself out, staying away from both alcohol and women in the meantime. |
I don't think anyone would disagree with that. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:56 am Post subject: |
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So she goes to a love motel with some random dude she doesn't know, gets him all horny and worked up, then just decides to just leave while he's all horny and fired up?
That's playing with fire. It's totally not cool for a guy to beat a woman and the guyshould get in trouble for it, but that's really putting yourself in a situation that's sort of asking for it to happen. And obviously, considering the circumstances, the guy won't get in trouble.
It's like walking through South Central LA with a thousand dollars in your hand, and getting mad when you get robbed.
Lesson learned. Men with blue balls will go crazy quite easily. I'm guessing alcohol was involved as well? |
What is wrong with you? I hope everyone here hands you your --- on a dinner plate.
Men aren't savage animals. They know how to stop--yes, even mid-coitus!--if something is making their partner uncomfortable or is causing him/her pain, just like a woman is able to stop.
"Blue balls" is never an excuse or reason for assault or rape. Being drunk isn't either. Going to a hotel room isn't, either. Making out isn't, either.
I think she made a bad choice going to a hotel room with someone she didn't know, but so what? It was a bad choice. It wasn't a rape or assault choice. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
What I am saying is, it is not a natural, biological function of a man to beat the crap out of a girl because she doesn't want to have sex with him, no matter how turned on he is. |
It is, for some. If you really don't think so, then how would you explain the large number of abusive men out there in the world? Rapists and whatnot? Obviously there are many different motivations, but I bet for some, it is truly biological.
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| I'm not naive in the least -- I know what goes on, all too often. Which is why it grates on my very soul to hear other men (and even sometimes women) claim that it's behavior that is determined by the Y chromosome and therefore cannot be helped. |
Who has made that claim? I don't think anyone who has said, "That's just the way men are" has added, "and they can't help themselves" or something to that effect.
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| Men need to be held accountable for their actions. Hitting a woman is a choice. No matter what issues you have. You are responsible, if you have such tendencies, for recognizing that it is not normal and it is not okay and you need to get help and sort yourself out, staying away from both alcohol and women in the meantime. |
I don't think anyone would disagree with that. |
Again, you're missing the point. There are whackos of all varieties in the world. Everyone knows that. But to say that this behavior should be expected out of a MAN because he is a MAN is not reasonable. It happens so often because people give men, from the time they are young, this impression that they are more carnal, sexual and violent by nature, and therefore they have more of an excuse to fall back on.
How would you have reacted to this story if the gender roles were reversed? If some guy went to a hotel room with a girl and after he sobered up a bit, realized he wasn't that into it and didn't want to actually sleep with her? Or if he was too drunk to get it up, and then the woman beat the crap out of him for it? It's ridiculous, right? Why is it less ridiculous to hear of it out of a man? Because people claim that it is a biological function of MEN -- not psychos -- to have this kind of reaction more commonly.
If you don't understand what I'm saying at this point, you're probably not going to. And if you don't see how the people arguing this way in this thread are not addressing your exceptional whacko and are instead making biological excuses based on gender, then I can't help you. |
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OnTheOtherSide
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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So she goes to a love motel with some random dude she doesn't know, gets him all horny and worked up, then just decides to just leave while he's all horny and fired up?
That's playing with fire. It's totally not cool for a guy to beat a woman and the guyshould get in trouble for it, but that's really putting yourself in a situation that's sort of asking for it to happen. And obviously, considering the circumstances, the guy won't get in trouble.
It's like walking through South Central LA with a thousand dollars in your hand, and getting mad when you get robbed.
Lesson learned. Men with blue balls will go crazy quite easily. I'm guessing alcohol was involved as well? |
What is wrong with you? I hope everyone here hands you your --- on a dinner plate.
Men aren't savage animals. They know how to stop--yes, even mid-coitus!--if something is making their partner uncomfortable or is causing him/her pain, just like a woman is able to stop.
"Blue balls" is never an excuse or reason for assault or rape. Being drunk isn't either. Going to a hotel room isn't, either. Making out isn't, either.
I think she made a bad choice going to a hotel room with someone she didn't know, but so what? It was a bad choice. It wasn't a rape or assault choice. |
Why do some people like you insist on assuming that all people out there are well-adjusted, peaceful, sane individuals? It's like a mental syndrome where you bury your head in the sand away from the evils of the world.
Wake up. The world is FULL of violent, insane and evil people. A streetsmart person knows this and doesn't hide from this fact.
I'm not saying it's right. It's not an issue of right or wrong. It's an issue of being realistic about this world that we live in and about human nature. People get murdered, raped, attacked, robbed tens of thousands of times every day in this world.
Self-righteous indignation will not make it go away. |
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I'm no Picasso
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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So she goes to a love motel with some random dude she doesn't know, gets him all horny and worked up, then just decides to just leave while he's all horny and fired up?
That's playing with fire. It's totally not cool for a guy to beat a woman and the guyshould get in trouble for it, but that's really putting yourself in a situation that's sort of asking for it to happen. And obviously, considering the circumstances, the guy won't get in trouble.
It's like walking through South Central LA with a thousand dollars in your hand, and getting mad when you get robbed.
Lesson learned. Men with blue balls will go crazy quite easily. I'm guessing alcohol was involved as well? |
What is wrong with you? I hope everyone here hands you your --- on a dinner plate.
Men aren't savage animals. They know how to stop--yes, even mid-coitus!--if something is making their partner uncomfortable or is causing him/her pain, just like a woman is able to stop.
"Blue balls" is never an excuse or reason for assault or rape. Being drunk isn't either. Going to a hotel room isn't, either. Making out isn't, either.
I think she made a bad choice going to a hotel room with someone she didn't know, but so what? It was a bad choice. It wasn't a rape or assault choice. |
Why do some people like you insist on assuming that all people out there are well-adjusted, peaceful, sane individuals? It's like a mental syndrome where you bury your head in the sand away from the evils of the world.
Wake up. The world is FULL of violent, insane and evil people. A streetsmart person knows this and doesn't hide from this fact.
I'm not saying it's right. It's not an issue of right or wrong. It's an issue of being realistic about this world that we live in and about human nature. People get murdered, raped, attacked, robbed tens of thousands of times every day in this world.
Self-righteous indignation will not make it go away. |
How many times do people need to repeat themselves?
Who in this thread has claimed all people are well adjusted and no one is dangerous? |
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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| kabrams wrote: |
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So she goes to a love motel with some random dude she doesn't know, gets him all horny and worked up, then just decides to just leave while he's all horny and fired up?
That's playing with fire. It's totally not cool for a guy to beat a woman and the guyshould get in trouble for it, but that's really putting yourself in a situation that's sort of asking for it to happen. And obviously, considering the circumstances, the guy won't get in trouble.
It's like walking through South Central LA with a thousand dollars in your hand, and getting mad when you get robbed.
Lesson learned. Men with blue balls will go crazy quite easily. I'm guessing alcohol was involved as well? |
What is wrong with you? I hope everyone here hands you your --- on a dinner plate.
Men aren't savage animals. They know how to stop--yes, even mid-coitus!--if something is making their partner uncomfortable or is causing him/her pain, just like a woman is able to stop.
"Blue balls" is never an excuse or reason for assault or rape. Being drunk isn't either. Going to a hotel room isn't, either. Making out isn't, either.
I think she made a bad choice going to a hotel room with someone she didn't know, but so what? It was a bad choice. It wasn't a rape or assault choice. |
Why do some people like you insist on assuming that all people out there are well-adjusted, peaceful, sane individuals? It's like a mental syndrome where you bury your head in the sand away from the evils of the world.
Wake up. The world is FULL of violent, insane and evil people. A streetsmart person knows this and doesn't hide from this fact.
I'm not saying it's right. It's not an issue of right or wrong. It's an issue of being realistic about this world that we live in and about human nature. People get murdered, raped, attacked, robbed tens of thousands of times every day in this world.
Self-righteous indignation will not make it go away. |
How many times do people need to repeat themselves?
Who in this thread has claimed all people are well adjusted and no one is dangerous? |
Lot's of people in this thread have implicitly said that.
They say things like "Men are not animals", "Men know when to stop", etc. Well.....lots of men ARE animals, and lots of men do not know when to stop, that's just a fact. Not every man in this world is a politically correct, educated, gentleman. Yet some people seem to be pushing the idea that all men SHOULD be civilized, and that is just hopelessly unrealistic.
It's just a very idealistic, naive and politically correct philosophy to say "men are not animals" and assume that men will behave properly.
Same thing with women, lots of them do crazy evil stuff too. We are singling out men here because of the specific situation in the OP. But the bottom line is just that you should NOT expect people to behave by any kind of moral or ethical code. There are lots of people out there who were raised in twisted households, and their sense of right and wrong is incredibly abnormal.
Some people seem to think that everyone in this world should follow the same morals and ethics and that mankind has the capacity to live in a peaceful, utopian state. But in my opinion, this world operates by the law of the jungle, and we humans are no better than wolves or lions. I've seen it proven so many times. |
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thurst
Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Carla wrote: |
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Before I start, I agree that the girl did something dangerous. There are a lot of strange people around. I'm not going to go walking around the bad part of town alone after midnight, but if I did, do I deserve whatever I get?
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bcuz walking around with a black hoodie on is totally the same as going home drunk with strange men.
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So I say bad part of town and you automatically say black hoodie?
That's your leap, not mine. |
i was referring to being forced to wear burkas/hijabs/whatever (black hoodies) |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
What I am saying is, it is not a natural, biological function of a man to beat the crap out of a girl because she doesn't want to have sex with him, no matter how turned on he is. |
It is, for some. If you really don't think so, then how would you explain the large number of abusive men out there in the world? Rapists and whatnot? Obviously there are many different motivations, but I bet for some, it is truly biological.
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| I'm not naive in the least -- I know what goes on, all too often. Which is why it grates on my very soul to hear other men (and even sometimes women) claim that it's behavior that is determined by the Y chromosome and therefore cannot be helped. |
Who has made that claim? I don't think anyone who has said, "That's just the way men are" has added, "and they can't help themselves" or something to that effect.
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| Men need to be held accountable for their actions. Hitting a woman is a choice. No matter what issues you have. You are responsible, if you have such tendencies, for recognizing that it is not normal and it is not okay and you need to get help and sort yourself out, staying away from both alcohol and women in the meantime. |
I don't think anyone would disagree with that. |
Again, you're missing the point. There are whackos of all varieties in the world. Everyone knows that. But to say that this behavior should be expected out of a MAN because he is a MAN is not reasonable. It happens so often because people give men, from the time they are young, this impression that they are more carnal, sexual and violent by nature, and therefore they have more of an excuse to fall back on.
How would you have reacted to this story if the gender roles were reversed? If some guy went to a hotel room with a girl and after he sobered up a bit, realized he wasn't that into it and didn't want to actually sleep with her? Or if he was too drunk to get it up, and then the woman beat the crap out of him for it? It's ridiculous, right? Why is it less ridiculous to hear of it out of a man? Because people claim that it is a biological function of MEN -- not psychos -- to have this kind of reaction more commonly.
If you don't understand what I'm saying at this point, you're probably not going to. And if you don't see how the people arguing this way in this thread are not addressing your exceptional whacko and are instead making biological excuses based on gender, then I can't help you. |
I'd be like whoa crap, that girl is crazy. Why? because it happens so infrequently. Why? because that isn't their BIOLOGICAL make-up. She'd be one in a million.
Meanwhile, mr. douche bag who beats up a chick is one in a thousand.
It ain't EXPECTED, it is merely common. There IS a difference.
Many men (especially when drunk) are savages. That's the way life is. No matter what you say or do will change that. And I, nor OTOS, are excusing any of them. THAT is what YOU are NOT getting apparently. Just look at crime stats! Not like we're talking out of our asses here. We are merely saying, "yeah, a lot of guys suck. This is a reminder." |
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thurst
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="OnTheOtherSide]They say things like "Men are not animals", "Men know when to stop", etc. Well.....lots of men ARE animals, and lots of men do not know when to stop, that's just a fact. Not every man in this world is a politically correct, educated, gentleman. Yet some people seem to be pushing the idea that all men SHOULD be civilized, and that is just hopelessly unrealistic.[/quote]
you do realize that the overwhelmingly, vast majority of men do know when to stop and are not "animals", don't you? that's the general problem, i'm assuming, most people are having with your posts is that they assume most men are borderline psycho, rapists in disguise when that's obviously not the case.
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They often don't bother investigating. Yes, sometimes that happens in the West, but here you hear about it all the time. I know a girl who knows another who was walking late at night in Itaewon. She was savaged beyond belief on the sidewalk. She was so messed up physically. She was also drunk and stuff and the cops brought that up instead of being very helpful. There is no excuse for such behavior amongst people who are supposed to protect both men and women.
Abuse against women occurs in all countries, but you need a justice system that administers justice properly, IMHO. |
not for nothing, this happens all the time in the west as well to men and women. if a drunk person gets beat up and it's not immediately and completely obvious who assaulted them and why then cops will just assume they brought it on themselves...and realistically, they're most likely right since 9 times out of 10 drunken people bring the beatings they get on themselves. |
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I'm no Picasso
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'd be like whoa crap, that girl is crazy. Why? because it happens so infrequently. Why? because that isn't their BIOLOGICAL make-up. She'd be one in a million.
Meanwhile, mr. douche bag who beats up a chick is one in a thousand.
It ain't EXPECTED, it is merely common. There IS a difference.
Many men (especially when drunk) are savages. That's the way life is. No matter what you say or do will change that. And I, nor OTOS, are excusing any of them. THAT is what YOU are NOT getting apparently. Just look at crime stats! Not like we're talking out of our asses here. We are merely saying, "yeah, a lot of guys suck. This is a reminder." |
You're the one who's not getting it.
One more time, for the numbskulls in the cheap seats: NO ONE is claiming that men don't have more tendencies toward violence behavior. NO ONE is claiming that going to a love motel with a stranger is brilliant. NO ONE is claiming that women should walk around at all hours in whatever state with no concern for their own safety, because gee golly it would be nice if the world *wasn't* dangerous.
Some people really, *really* have a problem stepping outside of the way of thinking society dictates for them.
We're not talking about the numbers -- we're talking about the cause. You say it's common because of biology, which is like saying the earth is round because God made it that way. I say it's common because people spout this nonsense over and over without any actual proof, and therefore men feel more entitled to act out in violence when they don't get their way, because they believe it's part of their "biology".
It's a myth. But continue insisting on it if you so choose. |
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kabrams
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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So she goes to a love motel with some random dude she doesn't know, gets him all horny and worked up, then just decides to just leave while he's all horny and fired up?
That's playing with fire. It's totally not cool for a guy to beat a woman and the guyshould get in trouble for it, but that's really putting yourself in a situation that's sort of asking for it to happen. And obviously, considering the circumstances, the guy won't get in trouble.
It's like walking through South Central LA with a thousand dollars in your hand, and getting mad when you get robbed.
Lesson learned. Men with blue balls will go crazy quite easily. I'm guessing alcohol was involved as well? |
What is wrong with you? I hope everyone here hands you your --- on a dinner plate.
Men aren't savage animals. They know how to stop--yes, even mid-coitus!--if something is making their partner uncomfortable or is causing him/her pain, just like a woman is able to stop.
"Blue balls" is never an excuse or reason for assault or rape. Being drunk isn't either. Going to a hotel room isn't, either. Making out isn't, either.
I think she made a bad choice going to a hotel room with someone she didn't know, but so what? It was a bad choice. It wasn't a rape or assault choice. |
Why do some people like you insist on assuming that all people out there are well-adjusted, peaceful, sane individuals? It's like a mental syndrome where you bury your head in the sand away from the evils of the world.
Wake up. The world is FULL of violent, insane and evil people. A streetsmart person knows this and doesn't hide from this fact.
I'm not saying it's right. It's not an issue of right or wrong. It's an issue of being realistic about this world that we live in and about human nature. People get murdered, raped, attacked, robbed tens of thousands of times every day in this world.
Self-righteous indignation will not make it go away. |
I never said all men are well-adjusted, peaceful and sane individuals. Men (and women) can often be savage psychopaths. Like you said before, people can be evil.
People can also be good. People can also be apathetic. That's not the point here.
You said she put herself in a situation where she was "asking for it". That type of mentality is still being used against victims of sexual assault to this day. This is not some isolated comment on Dave's ESL, it's a statement indicative of the way a huge number of people view sexual assault and rape (i.e. it's the woman's responsibility to not get raped).
Everyone agrees that she didn't make the smartest decision by going home drunk with someone she didn't know, but that bad decision is not "asking for" rape or assault. Just like walking around with 1,000$ in your hand in a bad neighborhood does not warrant a person getting mugged.
A rapist is 100% responsible for rape. There is no "asking for it" on the victim's side, and the victim shares NO PART of the "blame".
Let me repeat for the slow people in the back: Men know when to stop and the ones who don't stop KNOW they can stop but they just choose not to. It's a choice, it is ALWAYS a choice.
It's not up to a woman to decide when a man can and can't stop, it's up to the men. And it's not a biological function of men to suddenly lose all sense and reason when they want to have sex. That type of excuse erases responsibility from the man, and automatically puts it on the shoulders of women (as usual). |
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