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Bondrock

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On the other hand
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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My first recollection of him was when he ran against Carter in the 1980 Democratic primaries. I remember my parents, both of whom had been big Camelot buffs, did not think very highly of him at all.
I have sometimes thought that his adherence to the liberal ideals was at least partly connected to keeping the family tradition alive, even though that tradition seemed to be a bit of a latter-day revision(no one would ever have called Joe Kennedy a liberal). But, his votes in the Senate, and his public advocacy, did reflect the ideals he claimed to represent.
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On the other hand
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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And we might as well just get THIS out of the way...
http://tinyurl.com/2d5gmx |
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ELGORDO
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Good riddance. Killed a young woman in 1969, lifelong lush, sorry ass limousine liberal. |
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Rteacher

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I think that President Obama got it right when he described Ted Kennedy as "the greatest Senator of our time".
Despite so many personal flaws and family tragedies he kept working enthusiastically and resourcefully to advance liberal causes.
When his personal ambition to run for President was thwarted, he strongly resolved to be a very effective public servant in the Senate, eventually writing over 300 bills that were enacted.
"For me, a few hours ago, this campaign came to an end. For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die..."
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Cheonmunka

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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:05 am Post subject: |
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I remember my parents, both of whom had been big Camelot buffs, did not think very highly of him at all |
Strange, they (like he was) are always the ones who do last. |
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saw6436
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon, ROK
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Hopefully this will be the end of the Kennedy involvement in National Politics. A family of scumbags. |
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hogwonguy1979

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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:49 am Post subject: |
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you right wingers are just awful. the man did more for america than you can imagine he was behind improving education, health care, civil rights you name it. he also worked at forging coalitions and working and not fighting those of the opposition party, read the comments nancy reagan and sen hatch. yeah they disagreed with sen kennedy on policy but they were still friends and worked to find a common ground. something that is sorely missed is todays political discourse.
he will be missed in more ways than one. |
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saw6436
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:24 am Post subject: |
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^^I'm not a "right winger". |
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On the other hand
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Cheonmunka wrote: |
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I remember my parents, both of whom had been big Camelot buffs, did not think very highly of him at all |
Strange, they (like he was) are always the ones who do last. |
Sorry, I don't understand this at all, Cheonmunka. Could you clarify your meaning? |
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mises
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:35 am Post subject: |
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I don't know much about him, but have always respected him due to the loss after loss after loss he suffered in his family. |
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bacasper

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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:26 am Post subject: |
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saw6436 wrote: |
Hopefully this will be the end of the Kennedy involvement in National Politics. A family of scumbags. |
After killing three of them and neutralizing the fourth, it would be hard for any family to recoup.
And I suppose the people who murdered them were all nice guys? Some of the nicest murderers you will ever meet?
I find your comment disgraceful. If you feel such a need to trash the man's memory, can you not at least wait until he is cold in the ground? |
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On the other hand
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: |
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After killing three of them and neutralizing the fourth, it would be hard for any family to recoup.
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Does your "neutralizaing" comment refer to Chappaquiddick? Hard for me to see how that was anything but Kennedy's fault alone. Unless we want to argue that he was somehow forced against his will from contacting the police after the accident. |
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bacasper

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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:44 am Post subject: |
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After killing three of them and neutralizing the fourth, it would be hard for any family to recoup.
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Does your "neutralizaing" comment refer to Chappaquiddick? Hard for me to see how that was anything but Kennedy's fault alone. Unless we want to argue that he was somehow forced against his will from contacting the police after the accident. |
Yes, it does.
I don't remember enough of the details now to reargue the case, but I do recall several questions being raised about exactly how that all happened.
Anyway, he did eventually contact the police; it was just several hours later, no? The man had just survived a near-death experience himself, I could understand if he needed time to recoup his faculties. |
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Cheonmunka

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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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This is not saying anything about Ted Kennedy - merely a response to your comment and mine:
I remember my parents, both of whom had been big Camelot buffs, did not think very highly of him at all
Strange, they are always the ones who do last.
Sure. It's like when there is the least popular person it is that person who often as not gets to keep their foot in the door.
Take Bush and others in his admin. as an example - so many people hated that administration, and knew what was going on (they all did have many detestible traits) yet they kept themselves there, against most people's will, eight years; but a mild mannered 'wouldn't hurt a fly' Jimmy Carter (a guy you wouldn't mind bringing to your house for dinner - a guy who builds houses for the poor) got cast out with stones.
You ask what I mean, it is that it has become almost a law that the least respectable wins.
With all the wonderful musicians how did Britney manage to hold queen's honors?
Why is a drug talking idiot like Charlie Sheen more popular than a thoughful serene Kirk Cameron?
A talk show host gains in popularity when he is abusive. The mild one trails in ratings.
That sort of thing is what I mean when saying the ones we think less highly of still manage to hold high public positions the longest. Common sense tells us they should be quickly retired and sent out. Yet, opposite to that, the good ones are sent away and the bad ones kept.
Again, a reply to your comment only about what your parents said, not about Kennedy himself.
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