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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Fox wrote: |
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| What you are failing to acknowledge is that our system of agriculture drives other species into extinction and consumes land. Other species USE the land and leave the balance in tact, humans TAKE OVER the land and ruin it for all other species. That's the key difference. |
It's not a key difference at all. Any species would drive any other number of species into extinction if it could do so and doing so would benefit it. That's not playing god, it's totally natural. There's no altruism in nature; even human environmentalism at its core is about humans, because we benefit from a world with other species in it.
All you're pointing out is that humans are more capable than other species. There's nothing unnatural about that, and it's not playing god. It's just plain old natural competition.
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| This system has been working. But it's like a runaway train that has not quite crashed yet. The crash will come innevitably. |
And if it does, it will be exactly the same as when the goats run out of grass. They over-grazed, and over-reproduced, and a backlash occurs as a result.
Your attempt to condemn anything humans do as unnatural is simply in error. |
Any species WOULD do this.
But humans are the only species that CAN and ARE doing it.
Major difference. You are speaking in "woulds" and "coulds". I'm speaking on what is actually happening right now. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| I am not going to argue this. I've spoken my piece. Time will be the judge. There is nothing we have right now that can save us from the threat we pose to ourselves. But there are new diseases being created right now that will one day be unleashed on the public..... |
Is your name John Holdren? Do you know something we don't?
I suppose your solution will be to give lethal, brain damaging, and totally useless vaccines to our women and children... |
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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| I am not going to argue this. I've spoken my piece. Time will be the judge. There is nothing we have right now that can save us from the threat we pose to ourselves. But there are new diseases being created right now that will one day be unleashed on the public..... |
Is your name John Holdren? Do you know something we don't?
I suppose your solution will be to give lethal, brain damaging, and totally useless vaccines to our women and children... |
There's nothing pretty about killing lots of people to save the world.
But. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do 
The only other option is to let things keep going as they are. Until the Earth is so messed up and depleted of resources that it can only support a billion people anyway.
Either way. Big time death is coming. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| What you are failing to acknowledge is that our system of agriculture drives other species into extinction and consumes land. Other species USE the land and leave the balance in tact, humans TAKE OVER the land and ruin it for all other species. That's the key difference. |
It's not a key difference at all. Any species would drive any other number of species into extinction if it could do so and doing so would benefit it. That's not playing god, it's totally natural. There's no altruism in nature; even human environmentalism at its core is about humans, because we benefit from a world with other species in it.
All you're pointing out is that humans are more capable than other species. There's nothing unnatural about that, and it's not playing god. It's just plain old natural competition.
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| This system has been working. But it's like a runaway train that has not quite crashed yet. The crash will come innevitably. |
And if it does, it will be exactly the same as when the goats run out of grass. They over-grazed, and over-reproduced, and a backlash occurs as a result.
Your attempt to condemn anything humans do as unnatural is simply in error. |
Any species WOULD do this.
But humans are the only species that CAN and ARE doing it. |
Which is why it's not playing god, or being unnatural, but simply being successful. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| I am not going to argue this. I've spoken my piece. Time will be the judge. There is nothing we have right now that can save us from the threat we pose to ourselves. But there are new diseases being created right now that will one day be unleashed on the public..... |
Is your name John Holdren? Do you know something we don't?
I suppose your solution will be to give lethal, brain damaging, and totally useless vaccines to our women and children... |
There's nothing pretty about killing lots of people to save the world.
But. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do
The only other option is to let things keep going as they are. Until the Earth is so messed up and depleted of resources that it can only support a billion people anyway.
Either way. Big time death is coming. |
Please, go kill yourself first. Lead by example. And take John Holdren, Paul Ehrlich, the Rockefellers, and the rest of them with you. I believe that in itself will make the world a better place. And if not, no skin off your back (you're already dead)... |
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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| I am not going to argue this. I've spoken my piece. Time will be the judge. There is nothing we have right now that can save us from the threat we pose to ourselves. But there are new diseases being created right now that will one day be unleashed on the public..... |
Is your name John Holdren? Do you know something we don't?
I suppose your solution will be to give lethal, brain damaging, and totally useless vaccines to our women and children... |
There's nothing pretty about killing lots of people to save the world.
But. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do
The only other option is to let things keep going as they are. Until the Earth is so messed up and depleted of resources that it can only support a billion people anyway.
Either way. Big time death is coming. |
Please, go kill yourself first. Lead by example. And take John Holdren, Paul Ehrlich, the Rockefellers, and the rest of them with you. I believe that in itself will make the world a better place. And if not, no skin of your back (you're already dead)... |
No thanks. I will TRY to be one of the survivors. But if I get killed, no hard feelings.
Many cows, pigs, chickens and plants have died to keep me alive. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| I am not going to argue this. I've spoken my piece. Time will be the judge. There is nothing we have right now that can save us from the threat we pose to ourselves. But there are new diseases being created right now that will one day be unleashed on the public..... |
Is your name John Holdren? Do you know something we don't?
I suppose your solution will be to give lethal, brain damaging, and totally useless vaccines to our women and children... |
There's nothing pretty about killing lots of people to save the world.
But. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do
The only other option is to let things keep going as they are. Until the Earth is so messed up and depleted of resources that it can only support a billion people anyway.
Either way. Big time death is coming. |
Please, go kill yourself first. Lead by example. And take John Holdren, Paul Ehrlich, the Rockefellers, and the rest of them with you. I believe that in itself will make the world a better place. And if not, no skin of your back (you're already dead)... |
No thanks. I will TRY to be one of the survivors. But if I get killed, no hard feelings. |
Hypocrisy at its finest. Truly shameless. |
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