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Binch Lover
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:00 am Post subject: Why does Windows not shut down? |
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I just got a new computer about a month ago. Sometimes, I press the shut down button on Windows Vista and go out. When I come back hours later, the computer is still on and the screen says Windows is shutting down.
I tried googling the problem, but couldn't find a good answer. Something about the registry. I ran CCleaner but it didn't change anything.
What's up? |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Try booting into safe mode, then shutdown from there. If it shuts down fine, then it is a service that is hanging. It also may be an open registry key (typically the user key leaked problem) and it will hang forever.
Do you have SP2 installed? I don't know if this will help, but the solution to this may actually be a bit complex, and I haven't the time to post in detail. You may want to go to the "event viewer" (in "administrative tools") and check the windows system log for errors. This will show you exactly what was hanging on shutdown and give you error codes and the like. Post those here or Google them... |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have an HP printer?
It's a known fact that the drivers on many HP printers are crap, and will make your computer hang during shutdown or sleep modes. Only had problems with XP, though. |
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neil537
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Location: Incheon, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have Korean Vista, and for a while couldn't figure out what 'shutdown' was in the Start menu, so I installed a little thing on the side bar that has shutdown/restart/standby etc. When you click on the shutdown button it will automatically shutdown the computer, usually very quickly, or sometimes it will take a little longer if i've been running Bittorrent or Limewire. It has never failed to shutdown my computer though. Maybe worth a try? |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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neil537 wrote: |
I have Korean Vista, and for a while couldn't figure out what 'shutdown' was in the Start menu, so I installed a little thing on the side bar that has shutdown/restart/standby etc. When you click on the shutdown button it will automatically shutdown the computer, usually very quickly, or sometimes it will take a little longer if i've been running Bittorrent or Limewire. It has never failed to shutdown my computer though. Maybe worth a try? |
This was great. I have been trying to resist saying exactly this, in jest, and here it is in sincerity. Simple things can be challenging for microsoft. |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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crescent wrote: |
neil537 wrote: |
I have Korean Vista, and for a while couldn't figure out what 'shutdown' was in the Start menu, so I installed a little thing on the side bar that has shutdown/restart/standby etc. When you click on the shutdown button it will automatically shutdown the computer, usually very quickly, or sometimes it will take a little longer if i've been running Bittorrent or Limewire. It has never failed to shutdown my computer though. Maybe worth a try? |
This was great. I have been trying to resist saying exactly this, in jest, and here it is in sincerity. Simple things can be challenging for microsoft. |
Actually, computer users are typically morons. That's why Apple exists. |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Demophobe wrote: |
crescent wrote: |
neil537 wrote: |
I have Korean Vista, and for a while couldn't figure out what 'shutdown' was in the Start menu, so I installed a little thing on the side bar that has shutdown/restart/standby etc. When you click on the shutdown button it will automatically shutdown the computer, usually very quickly, or sometimes it will take a little longer if i've been running Bittorrent or Limewire. It has never failed to shutdown my computer though. Maybe worth a try? |
This was great. I have been trying to resist saying exactly this, in jest, and here it is in sincerity. Simple things can be challenging for microsoft. |
Actually, computer users are typically morons. That's why Apple exists. |
I'm glad you can finally admit that Apple fills the niche above most users. No wonder so many Windoze faithful are lost when using Mac software... a.k.a common sense.
If the phrase "that's dumb" wasn't the first thing to run through your mind many years ago when you so intuitively pressed the 'Start' button to stop running the OS, then you need to revisit 1st grade.
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Microsoft uses the Start Menu more in each version of Windows as a way to shield novice users from the complexities of the operating system.
...Several users have protested the removal of an option to enable the classic start menu. Microsoft has stated it is 'Time to move on'. However, with the latest update, the classic Start menu has been restored
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start_menu
I nominate "time to move on" for the next shut down button label in Windows 8. |
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June12345678
Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Had no idea about the HP printer drivers screwing with XP. Now I understand why my XP is so buggy. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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If the phrase "that's dumb" wasn't the first thing to run through your mind many years ago when you so intuitively pressed the 'Start' button to stop running the OS, then you need to revisit 1st grade. |
No. It never ran through my mind. My mind does not demand everything to be so literal.
I can perfectly understand that the Start button opens up the window that will allow me to control my computer through the OS. One of the things I can access there are the power functions.
So, I was quickly able to comprehend that the Start button allows me to 'begin' doing whatever I want, including powering down. Not so hard. Doesn't take a quantum jump in lateral thinking to work that one out......
.......well, to most of us anyway. |
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hugekebab

Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Windows has a safety feature that waits for all programs to shut down before it shuts down itself. I thought with Vista that there is a default set for this.
You can tweak it in the registry, try turning it down to a five second wait for other programs to shut down and then see if that helps.
open the Registry Editor (in Vista, press the Windows key, type regedit, and press Enter; in XP, click Start > Run, type regedit, and press Enter), and navigate in the left pane to HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Control Panel/desktop (or Desktop). Double-click WaitToKillAppTimeout in the right pane, and change the value data (measured in milliseconds) to 1000-if you're in a real hurry--or something larger, if you want to give your recalcitrant apps a little more time to call it quits. Click OK when you're done.
The Windows Registry key that sets the delay before killing applications at shutdown
Use this Registry key to reduce the number of milliseconds you want Windows to wait before killing apps at shutdown.
(Credit: Microsoft)
To reduce the wait before forcing hung applications to close, double-click HungAppTimeout in the right pane of the same key, and change the value data to 2000, or however many milliseconds you want to give the apps to unhang on their own. Of course, a better approach is to figure out why the app is hanging in the first place; I'll cover diagnosing hung applications in a future post: Stay tuned!
You may also want to change the value data of WaitToKillAppTimeout and HungAppTimeout in HKEY_USERS/.DEFAULT/Control Panel/Desktop key to apply the changes to all users on the system. |
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giraffe
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Umm i have feeling that your pressing that button in the start menu right next the LOCK icon. I used to think that it was a shutdown button aswell But if you put your cursor over it it says
" Keeps your session in memory and puts the computer in a low power state so that you can quickly resume working "
If you press it it kinda looks like its shutting off but its not. So when you come back your computer is still on and everythign is still running.
TO turn off the computer properly in vista Click Start Then look at the bottom of the start menu . You will see That Lock icon and on the right theres a little arrow. If you clikc the arrow icon it brings up a small menu That has a few options. Click the Shutdown one ( which is the last one on the list at the bottom) |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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eamo wrote: |
No. It never ran through my mind. My mind does not demand everything to be so literal.
I can perfectly understand that the Start button opens up the window that will allow me to control my computer through the OS. One of the things I can access there are the power functions.
So, I was quickly able to comprehend that the Start button allows me to 'begin' doing whatever I want, including powering down. Not so hard. Doesn't take a quantum jump in lateral thinking to work that one out......
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Love it!!!! Defending the idiocy of a button so creatively. Windows has very dedicated fanboys. 'Start' shutting down. LOL!
So your mind doesn't demand everything be so literal? How about simple logic? Might not mean much to you, but isn't that how computers work? Do you press the 'up' button in the elevator when you want to go down? I see lots of elderly Koreans doing it, so you wouldn't be alone in admitting it.
I guess efficiency also means nothing to you.... don't use shortcut keys, then?
Sure it doesn't take a leap to figure out, but just saying that reveals there is something amiss in design. Considering the way so many users complained about it's planned removal, says something about people getting used to stupidity.
Somebody had a really bad idea, and they needed the Rolling Stones to make it sound cool. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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I know you Apple boys love a smug snigger at the "press Start to close down" thing.
But it's only you guys who think it's really weird or stupid. The 5% of people who choose Mac. The other 95% of us don't really see anything so strange about it. We pressed what used to be called (years ago) the start button to access the major functions of our OS. One of the choices therein is to power off. What's the joke?
So, you actually need to have your self-satisfied little in-joke with other Apple fanboys. The rest of us don't get what is so funny about it. Lame joke. |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't need it... but it IS hilarious listening to you defend your little button.
I know it's not easy to laugh at yourself. But believe me, it's not just Mac users who crack this one. I studied Industrial design and it was used as a textbook example.
The joke is really not that lame: logic and efficiency are cornerstones of good design. Microsoft had a team of Ph.Ds get it wrong, and the masses have not only gone along with it, but defend it and preserve it.
Then, Windows users say Mac users are mindless.
LOL!
Microsoft: Time to move on.
Windoze user: It's too hard!
Mac user: Here's an easier way.
Windoze user: Apple sucks! |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever. It never confused me. Not for a second. |
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