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xpat
Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Location: Kangnam baby
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: This explains alot. |
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The following is an excerpt from a pretty intersting article written by a Korean professor in the U.S. comparing the differences between American and Korean society.
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It is rather enlightening to realize that �Kwen-chan-ah,� the Korean phrase equivalent to �It�s okay� or �It�s not a problem� actually means, �I have no relationship with it� or �I have nothing to do with it.� This implies that in Korea your behaviorism concerning the people outside of your circles is not a matter of serious concern. You are called on to take good care of your family members, relatives, friends, schoolmates, and hometowners, but it�s okay or �Kwen-chan-ah� whatever you do to those outsiders because they are nobody to you. |
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~myhan/ot2-sj.html |
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flarestar
Joined: 05 Sep 2009
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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From flush toilet to Internet, not one major innovation in recent human history came out of a uniform
society like Korea. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Good article. Thanks for the link.
Ken:> |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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"If It�s Different, It�s Wrong
In Korea when a thing is different from the rest of the group it belongs to, it is often regarded as wrong.
In fact, the Korean word �tul-lee-dah� that is equivalent to �different� in English also means �wrong.�
This is because Koreans value uniformity and conformity almost too much. The strong community-
based spirit in Korea tends to promote not equality but equal quality."
I was thinking about this myself recently, how they use 틀리다 to mean both "different" and "wrong." It's rather telling. |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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WOW.
this article is pretty mind-blowing.
I may not agree with everything the Korean professor says, but coming from a Korean and an expert in a field under which I have a lot of experience and some expertise, I have to tip my cap to him.
doesn't THIS particular sentence pretty much sum up almost every Korea complaining post on Dave's which is then summarily described as "racist", etc.?
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Such ill-spirited
mentality, coupled with quick-found affluence, has turned these historically impoverished, plain-
clothed people into the world's best-dressed (in terms of expense) and most golf-loving people.
The result is a vulgar crowd or blind populace who are not only economically irrational but
socially dysfunctional . |
btw.. I have to comment though that my own personal experience and interaction with the Koreans I've most closely dealt with has been completely different from most who post (and complain) here. |
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kg2095
Joined: 23 May 2009 Location: Hwaseong City
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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flarestar wrote: |
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From flush toilet to Internet, not one major innovation in recent human history came out of a uniform
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That is not correct. Wikipedia lists many Korean innovations including:
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The First Digital Audio Player and flash memory MP3 player were built by Saehan Information Systems in 1998. [15][16]
The first mobiles phones with built-in MP3 players were produced in South Korea in 2003. The innovation spread rapidly and by 2005, more than half of all music sold in South Korea was sold directly to mobile phones. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Korean_inventions_and_innovations |
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asams

Joined: 17 Nov 2008
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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kg2095 wrote: |
flarestar wrote: |
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From flush toilet to Internet, not one major innovation in recent human history came out of a uniform
society like Korea. |
lol |
That is not correct. Wikipedia lists many Korean innovations including:
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The First Digital Audio Player and flash memory MP3 player were built by Saehan Information Systems in 1998. [15][16]
The first mobiles phones with built-in MP3 players were produced in South Korea in 2003. The innovation spread rapidly and by 2005, more than half of all music sold in South Korea was sold directly to mobile phones. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Korean_inventions_and_innovations |
He said major innovation, as in, something that would drastically change the way we live had it not been invented. I doubt not having MP3 on our cellphones would really change the way we live. Maybe for Koreans but not for most of the world's population |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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This article spoke to me.
Especially the part about moral behavior. The face saving, and the behind the doors ok mentality really analyzed much of the behavior we see in Korea.
While not speaking from a judgmental tone but purely from a observational standpoint, i had theorized that Korean culture has an amoral social problem.
Take cheating for example, a lot of question the norebangs, double barber poles, and all of the other forms of alternative cheating. What seems to be this absence of guilt only really manifests when someone else finds out about it (and the guilt is being caught, not to the pain they caused their partner). There is a Korean TV show that displays this (although in my opinion is wholly staged) with a lot of couples cheating on each other. The obvious lack of any sort of guilt is apparent even when caught.
The punishment is public embarrassment but they don't seem to have any apparent guilty conscience or pangs of empathy for the person they hurt. After suffering from my own breakup due to cheating, I was irrationally distraught and tried to understand why my partner felt no guilt. Even she seemed to want to deepen the wounds by telling me about him and how wonderful he is and he made her feel (What a nice girl).
There seems to be this common underlying theme of no consciouses or guiltless behavior. As actions that cause other pains, that are OUTSIDE their area of concern (not family) still don't strike a chord with many people. I've seen this in my Korean friends too as their consciousness doesn't seem to extend to others in terms or their needs or desires. There of course, exist obligations, but what I consider emotionally attachment was not as strong as the west I theorize. However, what confounds me more is the ajumma mother of Korea. Which I believe to be a strong and wonderfully emotional bond to the baby. So this paradox I can only explain as the child being within their circle of concern.
Here is my overall "feeling", Koreans are more emotional in acting and behaving... yet they aren't as empathetic or sympathetic to anyone that isn't like them. that's the vibe I'm getting anyways. However, this is a worldwide thing. People tend to feel empathy for people who are most like them, but in America, we actually take steps to care about people different from us.
This is a generalization and just a theory of course. By no means am i trying to judge the Korean people as morally inferior or anything, just it's simply a cultural difference.... or maybe genetc? (shrug) |
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flarestar
Joined: 05 Sep 2009
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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I think people should take a minute or two review this. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Goku wrote: |
This is a generalization and just a theory of course. By no means am i trying to judge the Korean people as morally inferior or anything, just it's simply a cultural difference.... or maybe genetc? (shrug) |
Empathy and compassion is genetic now? While I agree with most of your post, there are plenty of Koreans and Korean Americans who go about and help other people and animals. I think the lack of empathy (in the Western sense) is common in many underdeveloped societies, but Korea is slowly changing in that regard. Not just for looks either. |
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thoreau
Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Goku wrote: |
This article spoke to me.
Especially the part about moral behavior. The face saving, and the behind the doors ok mentality really analyzed much of the behavior we see in Korea.
While not speaking from a judgmental tone but purely from a observational standpoint, i had theorized that Korean culture has an amoral social problem.
Take cheating for example, a lot of question the norebangs, double barber poles, and all of the other forms of alternative cheating. What seems to be this absence of guilt only really manifests when someone else finds out about it (and the guilt is being caught, not to the pain they caused their partner). There is a Korean TV show that displays this (although in my opinion is wholly staged) with a lot of couples cheating on each other. The obvious lack of any sort of guilt is apparent even when caught.
The punishment is public embarrassment but they don't seem to have any apparent guilty conscience or pangs of empathy for the person they hurt. After suffering from my own breakup due to cheating, I was irrationally distraught and tried to understand why my partner felt no guilt. Even she seemed to want to deepen the wounds by telling me about him and how wonderful he is and he made her feel (What a nice girl).
There seems to be this common underlying theme of no consciouses or guiltless behavior. As actions that cause other pains, that are OUTSIDE their area of concern (not family) still don't strike a chord with many people. I've seen this in my Korean friends too as their consciousness doesn't seem to extend to others in terms or their needs or desires. There of course, exist obligations, but what I consider emotionally attachment was not as strong as the west I theorize. However, what confounds me more is the ajumma mother of Korea. Which I believe to be a strong and wonderfully emotional bond to the baby. So this paradox I can only explain as the child being within their circle of concern.
Here is my overall "feeling", Koreans are more emotional in acting and behaving... yet they aren't as empathetic or sympathetic to anyone that isn't like them. that's the vibe I'm getting anyways. However, this is a worldwide thing. People tend to feel empathy for people who are most like them, but in America, we actually take steps to care about people different from us.
This is a generalization and just a theory of course. By no means am i trying to judge the Korean people as morally inferior or anything, just it's simply a cultural difference.... or maybe genetc? (shrug) |
Most, if not all, of what you said applies to other Asian cultures as well. It aint a Korean thing. It's a Confucian thing. |
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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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how they use 틀리다 to mean both "different" and "wrong." It's rather telling. |
Its quite likely the roots of those words are different. Many of the "same" words come from chinese and since some chinese characters have the same sound, they end up sounding the same. its why Koreans learn Hanja. It doesn't mean they're the same word.
Wrong in this sense also means wrong as in "You made a mistake on the test" not "that 3 eyed baby is wrong!" It also means twisted (like a rope), a product is low quality, a bad person or bad idea, and distorted. |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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flarestar wrote: |
I think people should take a minute or two review this. |
It did take a minute to review that  |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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I'd agree it's a Confucian thing. Not specific to Korea.
It's an interesting article, but no real revelations for anyone who's been in Korea more than a year or two. |
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typo
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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flarestar wrote: |
I think people should take a minute or two review this. |
One of the listed "inventions:"
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Thundersticks are inflated plastic tubes that make a loud clapping noises when struck together. They are usually used at sportings events but have also been used at political rallies in Korea.[13] |
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