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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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 Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Yea, time to stop reading this thread.
They always remind me how retarded most sports fans are. |
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Pompeyinnit
Joined: 01 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah go and find a nice thread on kittens or knitting... |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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lol..ill break it down for you.
You like football/soccer because u are from a country where that is a big sport. He likes american football because I assume he is from america.
That's it. If the situation was reversed you would be saying what he is saying about soccer. You are so culturally programmed that is reflected in everything about you including how you follow sports.
You probably follow soccer in england..one club..you probably don't see much of any other leagues. You think about the game within the limits of your culture so therefore you like the 442 and don't like diving. Correct..yes.
Your idiot american doppledanger, depending on where he is from is either into college football or the pro game..probably not both with the same passion. He has only two settings. "my team sucks..put in the back up QB' or "we rule". that's it.
You are the same person, just born in different places. Arsenal..Man City is on right now..quite a good game. |
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Pompeyinnit
Joined: 01 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: |
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haha knew you'd still be reading...
Give that man a deerstalker and pipe, although I'm surprised you didn't get as far as, "You're probably from Portsmouth, and right now you're miserable because you just watched them get done by Bolton in a sometimes shambolic display which sees them still sitting 20th with no points from their first 5 games..."
And I probably deserve most of what you said, but hey footy's one of my passions and I can't apologise for that.
(And come on, u know deep down that it's much better than that game with the face paint, big shoulder pads and shiny helmets that they play across the pond, don't u?!?!?) |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:59 am Post subject: |
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the beautiful game - well it can be... but on very rare occasions and 99% of the time only when played by Brazilians.
The other times.. it makes me doze off. Just behind golf (which isn't a sport)
by the way.. this thread and quote was meant as a JOKE.
a lighthearted one. 
I do think it's amusing how the rest of the world thinks Americans should like soccer just because it's the "global" thing to do (just like not having the death penalty)
It's even more amusing when they become very disappointed when despite exposure and "learning" about soccer, Americans still aren't interested.
I happen to know why and I am in a unique situation. The first thing I ever did as a toddler, young kid was kick a sock around my European appt. Soccer was the first game I learned.
When I came to the States and learned football, I've never gone back
(yes, it's popularity globally is first and foremost, economics and easy to play - get a around ball and you can play anywhere)
and the reason it can't past muster anywhere is because American sports thrive on mano a mano in your face competition.
soccer has too little of this and simply isn't violent enough for Americans.
One possible way to amend this would be to allow what Zidane did to the Italian as a normal element of the game
it IS strange though.. to play a supposedly athletic "sport" pretty much without completely using your hands
(unless you punch it in with your hand like Maradonna and then call it "the hand of God" )
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| lol - American rugby: the sport of choice for the global elite... I can't even start to compare the beautiful game with a sport in which each team actually has 2 different teams (defensive and offensive), each 'play' usually only consists of one pass (followed by a gatorade break), and it takes 4 hours to play a one-hour match. btw 'their' is a possessive pronoun; 'there' is a pronoun. I know it's a little complicated, but you understand American rugby so I'm surprised that this is tricky for you... |
I make mistakes. I'm human. It comes with the territory. I bet you've made some in your life. Maybe not. Maybe you're Polly Perfect. Most of us know we are not perfect. We don't make a big deal about other people's little mistakes. In return, they don't make a big deal about ours. It is basic social etiquette. However, now and then you run into someone who feels the need to correct every little thing. The thing about that guy is everybody hates that guy. Don't be that guy.
I find it odd that a soccer fan sees position specialization as a problem. You have goalies who are specialists. Don't they usually wear a different jersey than the rest of their team? Football has more position specialization because it is a more advanced game, but both games have position specialization.
Yes, football has plays instead of continuous action. That's what allows it to be thoughtful and strategic instead of merely reaction based. It is similar with games. Strategy games are very commonly turn based including games that are thought of as the most intellectually challenging such as chess, othello, and baduk. Continuous play games tend to be mere reaction games were you often do better when you become thoughtless. Soccer doesn�t even remotely compare to football when it comes to S&T. Hell, curling is far more intellectual than soccer.
I�m not saying soccer is bad because of this. It�s a preference. I like having my intellect engaged. Others like to just relax and not have to think so much in their free time. There is nothing wrong with that. It�s perfectly understandable.
No, soccer is bad for a whole other reason. Soccer is a game of retreat. When the player with the ball is challenged by an opponent does he test his skill by confronting the challenge? Sometimes. Often, they kick the ball backwards to a teammate. That is often the smart move. This is the inherent problem. The whole point of sports is to test skill and ability. The rules of most sports don�t simply encourage skill tests. They demand them. In baseball, every single pitch is a test of skill between the pitcher and batter. There is no hiding. There is no retreating. In basketball, there is a clock that demands you test your skill in a prompt fashion or be penalized for your cowardice. Football has the most skill tests of all. In every play, every player is tested. If any single player fails the team will fail. Not soccer. While the rules of other sports drive the athletes towards skill tests, soccer encourages retreat. It encourages the avoidance of a skill test. It�s nonsensical. For F&*% sake, grow a pair, get in there and mix it up you pooftas. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Epicurus wrote: |
the beautiful game - well it can be... but on very rare occasions and 99% of the time only when played by Brazilians.
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Brazil haven't played 'like Brazil' since 1982. You must not have been watching much recently. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| AmericanExile wrote: |
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I find it odd that a soccer fan sees position specialization as a problem. You have goalies who are specialists. Don't they usually wear a different jersey than the rest of their team? Football has more position specialization because it is a more advanced game, but both games have position specialization.
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Soccer has many different positions, some more popular in different cultures.
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| Yes, football has plays instead of continuous action. That's what allows it to be thoughtful and strategic instead of merely reaction based. It is similar with games. Strategy games are very commonly turn based including games that are thought of as the most intellectually challenging such as chess, othello, and baduk. Continuous play games tend to be mere reaction games were you often do better when you become thoughtless. Soccer doesn�t even remotely compare to football when it comes to S&T. Hell, curling is far more intellectual than soccer. |
Really at some point you have to admit that you don't watch soccer and don't really understand it(like I don't really get baseball). It is not a thoughtless game. It is a game of ever changing geometry and situations.
It looks chaotic because there is no reset button as in american football. That can be a good or a bad thing but does not make one more advanced than another.
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| I�m not saying soccer is bad because of this. It�s a preference. I like having my intellect engaged. Others like to just relax and not have to think so much in their free time. There is nothing wrong with that. It�s perfectly understandable. |
Don't be condescending, it is not flattering.
I like watching a lot of different sports with american football being one of them. It is in its essence a very simple game. I don't say that from a newbie standpoint. I'm pretty sure I could go head to head with any American I know when it comes to recognizing schemes and coverages. In the end though it is just blocking and tackling. This is what makes the game engaging to watch for the average person, otherwise my American buddies who look at me like I have two heads when I say things like "oh, zone blitz...nice" wouldn't be watching it.
Soccer has similar layers of complexity. They are subtle but they are there.
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| No, soccer is bad for a whole other reason. Soccer is a game of retreat. When the player with the ball is challenged by an opponent does he test his skill by confronting the challenge? Sometimes. Often, they kick the ball backwards to a teammate. That is often the smart move. This is the inherent problem. The whole point of sports is to test skill and ability. The rules of most sports don�t simply encourage skill tests. They demand them. In baseball, every single pitch is a test of skill between the pitcher and batter. There is no hiding. There is no retreating. In basketball, there is a clock that demands you test your skill in a prompt fashion or be penalized for your cowardice. Football has the most skill tests of all. In every play, every player is tested. If any single player fails the team will fail. Not soccer. While the rules of other sports drive the athletes towards skill tests, soccer encourages retreat. It encourages the avoidance of a skill test.. |
This is ridiculous. You hate soccer because it not strategic and because the players make too many smart moves?
There is no single point to sports and in this case the popularity of a sport is evidence of this. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesus! Just saw watched of the Notre Dame-Michigan game..great ending! |
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pugwall
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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I love soccer(football) and have no interest in American football but I think these kind of threads are gay. Its all a matter of personal preference.
Why are Europeans of which I am one so bothered about why Americans dont like our sport? At the end of the day it is just sport. In Europe and many other parts of the world football is so deeply entrenched in our social fabric and so convinced we are of its beauty and superiority that come World Cup time we find it so hard to fathom that families in Missouri are not sharing our passion. Now I just find it a little bit childish.
However if you are interested in why we like soccer or just want to see some sport porn watch this http://www.vuze.com/details/HZJM26EVBWW4IDFBEVI7QRHZSD7DE75F/Goal+no+106+Carlos+Alberto+Brazil+Italy+4+1.html |
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benji
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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The United States will win a World Cup before England does. And no one in the US will give a damn.
You heard it here first. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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The United States will win a World Cup before England does. And no one in the US will give a damn.
You heard it here first. |
By the time America wins a world cup, you will have such a large mexican-american population that quite alot of the country will care. |
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pie eater
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: The Bando
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| benji wrote: |
The United States will win a World Cup before England does. And no one in the US will give a damn.
You heard it here first. |
By the time America wins a world cup, you will have such a large mexican-american population that quite alot of the country will care. |
.. and Russian, Ukrainian, El Salvadorean, Argentinian, Peruvian, Colombian etc etc  |
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benji
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| benji wrote: |
The United States will win a World Cup before England does. And no one in the US will give a damn.
You heard it here first. |
By the time America wins a world cup, you will have such a large mexican-american population that quite alot of the country will care. |
No they wont. They care about soccer now but they all support the countries of their ancestry and not the US. When Mexico and the US play in the States, its like a home game for Mexico. |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
Really at some point you have to admit that you don't watch soccer and don't really understand it(like I don't really get baseball). It is not a thoughtless game. It is a game of ever changing geometry and situations.
It looks chaotic because there is no reset button as in american football. That can be a good or a bad thing but does not make one more advanced than another. |
I have watched soccer at all kinds of levels from world cup and Olympic to high school and college. I've even watched a match in Korea. I always do so as a social event. I don't watch soccer to watch soccer. There are many words I would use to describe it. Chaotic is not one of them. It is in fact rather easy to follow the action considering it is a few people spread over a large field and the ball is highly visible.
You brought up this ever changing geometry bs a couple of times now. Let me disabuse you of this notion. Soccer players are not out on the field doing math. They run. I've played enough sports that I know how easy it is, how automatic it is when chasing or being chased to know the direction you need to run to best achieve your goal. You use the word geometry to try and make it seem like something sophisticated is going on. It isn't. It's as simple as can be. Maybe you spun this geometry bs assuming I have never played sports and wouldn't know how silly it is. Maybe you have never played sports and have sincerely bought into it. In any case, it is crap.
The oddest thing is you seem to be under the impression that open field/court running is somehow magically different in soccer than in other sports like football, basketball, or hockey (okay that is skating, but it is still the same). You have a goal you are moving towards. Others try to cut you off. Simple, simple, simple, same, same, same.
| AmericanExile wrote: |
| I�m not saying soccer is bad because of this. It�s a preference. I like having my intellect engaged. Others like to just relax and not have to think so much in their free time. There is nothing wrong with that. It�s perfectly understandable. |
| JMO wrote: |
| Don't be condescending, it is not flattering. |
I was being sincere. I get vegging out. It would be hard for me to care less what others do with their time. Different strokes.
| JMO wrote: |
like watching a lot of different sports with american football being one of them. It is in its essence a very simple game. I don't say that from a newbie standpoint. I'm pretty sure I could go head to head with any American I know when it comes to recognizing schemes and coverages. In the end though it is just blocking and tackling. This is what makes the game engaging to watch for the average person, otherwise my American buddies who look at me like I have two heads when I say things like "oh, zone blitz...nice" wouldn't be watching it.
Soccer has similar layers of complexity. They are subtle but they are there. |
Saying there are subtle layers is easy, but it is so much hot air. Reveal them if they exist.
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| This is ridiculous. You hate soccer because it not strategic and because the players make too many smart moves? |
Wow, you didn't understand a word I said.
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| There is no single point to sports and in this case the popularity of a sport is evidence of this. |
Couldn't be more wrong. All sport is competition. The goal is always to win. How do you determine the winner? Tests of skill and ability. I would be very interested if you could name a sport this is not true for. Even sad soccer has enough tests of skill to determine a winner - usually.
Given that that IS the case. How backwards and moronic is a sport that encourages players to avoid doing the thing they are there to do? The thing that gives them being there a purpose. Players work hard over years to get in shape and develop skills that they are then encourage to not use.
Soccer fans are very impressed by their own numbers. Can't stop talking about it. They always seem to think it proves something or other despite that annoying ad populum fallacy. I will admit I think it proves one thing.
I had a friend in college who used to say "you can't prefer sh!t flavored ice cream." The popularity of soccer seems to prove that if you made some people would stand in line to eat it. |
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