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schools prefer caucasian teachers over asian americans???
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Sunster



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:18 pm    Post subject: schools prefer caucasian teachers over asian americans??? Reply with quote

I was just wondering if private or public schools in Korea prefer Caucasian teachers over Asian Americans or Asian Canadians?

OR does it not matter? any input, comments please.. Wink


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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More info needed: just which are 'these schools' you're referring to?
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Sunster



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oops edited... i just meant in general like most schools... if they preferred Caucasian teachers teaching English. And for those who are teaching... are most of the English Teachers all Caucasian,... or are there other ethnic groups as well.
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nationality break down of GEPIK 2009:
USA 1066
Australia 74
England 123
Canada 369
NZ 73
Ireland 30
South Africa 261
Korea 34

I suspect there are lot more gyopo than 34. Since this is a stat of passports and not visas.
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teechinkorea



Joined: 07 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am Asian American, born and raised in the U.S., and I've only been looking for jobs in South Korea for about a month. But based on my experience thus far, I haven't had a whole lot of success getting hagwons (private schools) interested in me. The few recruiters (after posting on Dave's ESL Cafe) that responded to me, and ask for my resume and photo, never wrote back after I did (I assume because they realized I am Asian). The two times that recruiters wrote back after I submitted this info, thought I was Korean American. (I am not.) After finding out I am not Korean American, they moved on.

I've been warned from my TEFL advisor that I will have a very hard time getting hired by a hagwon (which is actually my preference). As a matter of fact, I've been steered towards the public school route because of these hiring practices.

Again, this has been my experience thus far, and may not be the same for everyone. I've been told by a few recruiters that I applied to directly that there *are* hagwons that are willing to hire Asian Americans, but it's rare. So, in summary, I have found it hard for me personally, and come to the conclusion that they either prefer Caucasians or only make exceptions for Korean Americans.

You may be better off focusing your search in the public school systems. Look into the EPIK, SMOE or GEPIK programs. That's what I've been doing...the public school systems, from what I can tell, absolutely are willing to hire Asians to teach in their schools.

Hope this helps...
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pie eater



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
Nationality break down of GEPIK 2009:
USA 1066
Australia 74
England 123
Canada 369
NZ 73
Ireland 30
South Africa 261
Korea 34

I suspect there are lot more gyopo than 34. Since this is a stat of passports and not visas.


Thank you for the figures - just as I had thought.

No actually - thats a lie! The fact that there is only 123 Brits, 74 Aussies, 73 Kiwis and 30 Irish is nothing short of a disgrace. I didn't think the selective hiring this year was THAT selective.

My own co-teacher dismissed a fantastic resume from a Pinay looking US teacher because of the way she looked - didn't matter what I said about the subject - my co teacher said the students would not take another Asian teaching them English all that seriously - even if she was brought up in the United States.

Try next year or join me in China!
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: it's a lie Reply with quote

It's more than a lie, it's a statistic!

Plus I think GEPIK paints a rosier picture than the rest. I suspect EPIK, SMOE numbers would show even larger USA numbers.
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Goku



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard it's harder for Asian Americans to get hagwon jobs. Unless you are an attractive female.

But, I guess that exception applies to pretty much anything. If you're an attractive female you could get paid to do doing something meaningless... like waving at cars in front of a department store.

wait a minute....
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pie eater



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: it's a lie Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
It's more than a lie, it's a statistic!

Plus I think GEPIK paints a rosier picture than the rest. I suspect EPIK, SMOE numbers would show even larger USA numbers.


I said my thoughts about the selective hiring was a lie - not your statistic. Rolling Eyes
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Epicurus



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my 2 predecessors at my public HS were both Asian American. One Chinese, the other Filipino.

The first NET there was from Ireland.

at the gepik orientation last year, I thought the room had a pretty good ethnic mix, which wasn't all that far off from your ethnic breakdown of the US, excluding Hispanics, though there were several Americans of Hispanic descent there as well.

Asian Americans easily outrepresented their percentage as gepik teachers vs overall population stateside. There were definitely both gyopos and Chinese Americans there as well.

what IS true that the Korean "mindset" about what an English teacher "should look like", is a blonde person with blue/green eyes.

Obviously this mindset will assert itself more at the hagwon level, especially if the Korean mothers "buy into" this mindset, and certainly at least some do.

but Hitler also had ideas about what a German "should" look like, although he himself was about as far removed from that ideal as po