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ManintheMiddle
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 Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:37 am Post subject: IN THE STFU DEPT. THIS WEEK: Jimmy Carter (again) |
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Of all ex-presidents, James Earl Carter has got to have had the biggest mouth. He talks and acts as if he's still president becauase his ego is larger than a barn filled with peanuts in Plains, Georgia.
Now he's out there accusing Joe Wilson of being a racist:
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Joe Wilson's son says his father's not a racist
By GREG BLUESTEIN
(AP) ATLANTA � U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson's oldest son defended his father against a claim by former President Jimmy Carter that the congressman's outburst during a speech by President Barack Obama was "based on racism."
Responding to an audience question at a town hall at his presidential center in Atlanta, Carter said Tuesday that Wilson's outburst was also rooted in fears of a black president.
"I think it's based on racism," Carter said. "There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president."
But Wilson's son disputed that.
"There is not a racist bone in my dad's body," said Alan Wilson, an Iraq veteran who is running for state attorney general in South Carolina. "He doesn't even laugh at distasteful jokes. I won't comment on former President Carter, because I don't know President Carter. But I know my dad, and it's just not in him."
"It's unfortunate people make that jump. People can disagree � and appropriately disagree � on issues of substance, but when they make the jump to race it's absolutely ludicrous. My brothers and I were raised by our parents to respect everyone regardless of background or race."
Carter, a Democrat, said Joe Wilson's outburst was a part of a disturbing trend directed at the president that has included demonstrators equating Obama to Nazi leaders.
"Those kind of things are not just casual outcomes of a sincere debate on whether we should have a national program on health care," he said. "It's deeper than that."
Wilson's spokesman was not immediately available for comment.
Wilson, a South Carolina Republican, was formally rebuked Tuesday in a House vote for shouting "You lie!" during Obama's speech to Congress last Wednesday.
The shout came after the president commented that illegal aliens would be ineligible for federal subsidies to buy health insurance. Republicans expressed their disbelief with sounds of disapproval, punctuated by Wilson's outburst.
Tuesday's rebuke was a rare resolution of disapproval pushed through by Democrats who insisted that Wilson had violated basic rules of decorum and civility. Republicans characterized the measure as a witch hunt and Wilson, who had already apologized to Obama, insisted he owed the House no apology.
South Carolina's former Democratic Party chairman also said he doesn't believe Wilson was motivated by racism, but said the outburst encouraged racist views.
"I think Joe's conduct was asinine, but I think it would be asinine no matter what the color of the president," said Dick Harpootlian, who has known Wilson for decades. "I don't think Joe's outburst was caused by President Obama being African-American. I think it was caused by no filter being between his brain and his mouth."
Harpootlian said he received scores of racial e-mails from outside South Carolina after he talked about the vote on Fox News.
"You have a bunch of folks out there looking for some comfort in their racial issues. They have a problem with an African-American president," he said. "But was he motivated by that? I don't think so. I respectfully disagree with President Carter, though it gives validity to racism."
Carter called Wilson's comment "dastardly" and an aftershock of racist views that have permeated American politics for decades.
"The president is not only the head of government, he is the head of state," he said. "And no matter who he is or how much we disagree with his policies, the president should be treated with respect." |
Gee, thanks, Jimmy for stirring up the pot even more. It's bad enough Joe opened his big, fat mouth when he shouldn't have but now you have to follow in suit, while assuming what you erroneouly believe to be the high road. One shouldn't go around levying such a charge unless one has ample proof or, in this case, any proof. But seeing that Joe is from the opposition party and seeing that Jimmy hasn't been in the press recently and time is running short on his decades-old effort to secure his legacy, I suppose his comments were inevitable.
But it's odd hearing accusations of racism from a man who has been identified by many in high places as being an anti-Semite or at least one prone to trashing Israel. And isn't this the same ex-President who spared no opportunity to trash George W. Bush in public, in any venue that would have him? I mean, regardless of what you think of the previous occupant of 1600 Pennsylvannia Avenue, he was not one to stoop to personal attacks or mean-spiritedness toward his opponents.
Carter, on the other hand, is still nursing his wounds from his defeat against Reagan, and will continue to do so when he's finally in a nursing home. Carter's axe to grind is bigger than Paul Bunyan's and his wife is his willing assistant.
But even if you don't think Carter did anything wrong in these instances, consider this:
"As then-National Security Advisor General Brent Scowcroft recounted in the 1998 memoir A World Transformed co-authored with President George H.W. Bush, the Canadian Prime Minister sent them a letter just received from Jimmy Carter. The ex-President had written to all Security Council members asking them to reject the U.S. request for an ultimatum to Iraq and instead to support the perpetual delay proposed by the Arab League.
�It was an unbelievable letter, asking the other members of the council to vote against his own country,� wrote Scowcroft. �We found out about it only when one of the recipients sent us a copy�. It seemed to me that if there was ever a violation of the Logan Act prohibiting diplomacy by private citizens, this was it.�
"In 1994 President Clinton �dispatched Carter to defuse an impending war with North Korea over that country�s nuclear program.� In violation of his directions and diplomatic protocol, wrote Suellentrop, Carter �conducted some free-lance diplomacy, this time on CNN. After meeting with Kim Il Sung, Carter went live on CNN International without telling the administration. His motive: Undermine the Clinton administration�s efforts to impose U.N. sanctions on North Korea.�
"Of this incident, which opened the way for this Marxist dictatorship to acquire nuclear weapons, notes Douglas Brinkley in his history of Carter since 1980 called The Unfinished Presidency, a Clinton Cabinet member referred to Jimmy Carter as a �treasonous *beep*.�
That's our Jimmy, who's willing put his foot in his mouth more often than Kanye West can count. He's sort of like the old uncle who's touched in the head but has to be invited to the family get-together anyhow.
Back to his ego: several years before he won the Nobel Peace Prize he was interviewed on CBS 60 Minutes and bit-ched about the fact that he hadn't already received that honor considering how much he'd supposedly done for peace in the Middle East. I thought: yeah, if Bush, Sr. or even Clinton had said that they would have been ridiculed. But, oh, not Jimmy. He's glowing in the halo of his own creation.
Please, Peanut Man, go home once and for all. Do us all a favor. Try to reinvent Billy Beer with a microbrewery or write a biography of George Washington Carver. Sit in on some games of the Atlanta Braves or go visit Amy.
Better yet, go build some more habitat for humanity, preferably in Greenland. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| Jimmy Carter was basically the most useless, puppet of a president in American history. Until Obama that is. |
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ThingsComeAround
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Jimmy Carter likes to be the center of attention.
Like what would happen if Montell Williams became president
but the problem is- he could be right.
Racial tensions between black and white are older than the foundations of America. One may say that it is built on such.
I am not saying it is okay to call Congress together to explain ones personal opinions. |
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ubermenzch
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:29 am Post subject: |
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MITM wrote:
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| I mean, regardless of what you think of the previous occupant of 1600 Pennsylvannia Avenue, he was not one to stoop to personal attacks or mean-spiritedness toward his opponents. |
You don't remember what his campaign did to McCain in the 2000 South Carolina Primary? It pretty much set a new low in vileness.
While I would severely rebuke any characterization of Carter as an anti-semite, I do agree with you that he should STFU!! His presidency came to an end long ago, and despite a long fight to prove to us otherwise, so did his relevance.
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| Jimmy Carter was basically the most useless, puppet of a president in American history. Until Obama that is. |
YAY!! More silliness from the dean of silly! I'd like to hear how Carter was a puppet. I bet it involves that charming Rockefeller and this New World Order thingy, or maybe that dastardly United Nations! Do tell us visitorq! |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| ubermenzch wrote: |
MITM wrote:
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| I mean, regardless of what you think of the previous occupant of 1600 Pennsylvannia Avenue, he was not one to stoop to personal attacks or mean-spiritedness toward his opponents. |
You don't remember what his campaign did to McCain in the 2000 South Carolina Primary? It pretty much set a new low in vileness.
While I would severely rebuke any characterization of Carter as an anti-semite, I do agree with you that he should STFU!! His presidency came to an end long ago, and despite a long fight to prove to us otherwise, so did his relevance.
And from visitorq:
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| Jimmy Carter was basically the most useless, puppet of a president in American history. Until Obama that is. |
YAY!! More silliness from the dean of silly! I'd like to hear how Carter was a puppet. I bet it involves that charming Rockefeller and this New World Order thingy, or maybe that dastardly United Nations! Do tell us visitorq! |
Sorry, but you're just too dumb to understand such things (no offense)... Write off. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Joe Wilson, as a state legislator, was one of only seven Republicans to go against their own party and vote to keep the Dixie Rebel flag flying over the South Carolina capitol |
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| you're just too dumb to understand such things |
Zzzzz.....ing?
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visitorq
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mises
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RufusW
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| The book vistiorq sourced has Obama on the cover next to Mussolini in the same pose.... ah... now I understand you visitorq. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| The book vistiorq sourced has Obama on the cover next to Mussolini in the same pose.... ah... now I understand you visitorq. |
No you don't. I doubt you even read books. |
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ubermenzch
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
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| The book vistiorq sourced has Obama on the cover next to Mussolini in the same pose.... ah... now I understand you visitorq. |
No you don't. I doubt you even read books. |
About a month ago, you dismissed a post of mine, claiming that I was blindly appealing to authority by quoting Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Niall Ferguson. I would now turn that objection on you, except that Webster Tarpley has NO AUTHORITY for you to appeal to. He is not a serious source. Anyone who doubts this, go play on google for a bit.
And anyway, Webster Tarpley's "description of how Jimmy Carter was selected by a group of bankers to become the president of the United States with their decisive financial support" is just not convincing. I get that the trilateral commission exists and that it has influence. I get that the Rockefellers and Brzezinskis of the world use it to draw together politicians and academics on the make to serve their interests in government and out. What I don't get is how such a group selects people to become president and then renders them mere puppets. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| ubermenzch wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| RufusW wrote: |
| The book vistiorq sourced has Obama on the cover next to Mussolini in the same pose.... ah... now I understand you visitorq. |
No you don't. I doubt you even read books. |
About a month ago, you dismissed a post of mine, claiming that I was blindly appealing to authority by quoting Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Niall Ferguson. I would now turn that objection on you, except that Webster Tarpley has NO AUTHORITY for you to appeal to. He is not a serious source. Anyone who doubts this, go play on google for a bit.
And anyway, Webster Tarpley's "description of how Jimmy Carter was selected by a group of bankers to become the president of the United States with their decisive financial support" is just not convincing. I get that the trilateral commission exists and that it has influence. I get that the Rockefellers and Brzezinskis of the world use it to draw together politicians and academics on the make to serve their interests in government and out. What I don't get is how such a group selects people to become president and then renders them mere puppets. |
Yeah, you've got nothing. That's all. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| ubermenzch wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| RufusW wrote: |
| The book vistiorq sourced has Obama on the cover next to Mussolini in the same pose.... ah... now I understand you visitorq. |
No you don't. I doubt you even read books. |
About a month ago, you dismissed a post of mine, claiming that I was blindly appealing to authority by quoting Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Niall Ferguson. I would now turn that objection on you, except that Webster Tarpley has NO AUTHORITY for you to appeal to. He is not a serious source. Anyone who doubts this, go play on google for a bit.
And anyway, Webster Tarpley's "description of how Jimmy Carter was selected by a group of bankers to become the president of the United States with their decisive financial support" is just not convincing. I get that the trilateral commission exists and that it has influence. I get that the Rockefellers and Brzezinskis of the world use it to draw together politicians and academics on the make to serve their interests in government and out. What I don't get is how such a group selects people to become president and then renders them mere puppets. |
Yeah, you've got nothing. That's all. |
you make me nostalgic for IGTG. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| ubermenzch wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| RufusW wrote: |
| The book vistiorq sourced has Obama on the cover next to Mussolini in the same pose.... ah... now I understand you visitorq. |
No you don't. I doubt you even read books. |
About a month ago, you dismissed a post of mine, claiming that I was blindly appealing to authority by quoting Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Niall Ferguson. I would now turn that objection on you, except that Webster Tarpley has NO AUTHORITY for you to appeal to. He is not a serious source. Anyone who doubts this, go play on google for a bit.
And anyway, Webster Tarpley's "description of how Jimmy Carter was selected by a group of bankers to become the president of the United States with their decisive financial support" is just not convincing. I get that the trilateral commission exists and that it has influence. I get that the Rockefellers and Brzezinskis of the world use it to draw together politicians and academics on the make to serve their interests in government and out. What I don't get is how such a group selects people to become president and then renders them mere puppets. |
Yeah, you've got nothing. That's all. |
you make me nostalgic for IGTG. |
Never heard of it.
Anyway, some people on here are so daft that you can cite a source, containing a DIRECT QUOTE from the actual people being discussed (in this case, Zbigniew Brzezinski, founding member of the Trilateral Commission, discussing his support for Carter) and they'll still go and call the SECONDARY SOURCE (in this case, Tarpley) "unreliable".
There's really nothing for such people, except to write them off as hopeless.
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ubermenzch
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| ubermenzch wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| RufusW wrote: |
| The book vistiorq sourced has Obama on the cover next to Mussolini in the same pose.... ah... now I understand you visitorq. |
No you don't. I doubt you even read books. |
About a month ago, you dismissed a post of mine, claiming that I was blindly appealing to authority by quoting Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Niall Ferguson. I would now turn that objection on you, except that Webster Tarpley has NO AUTHORITY for you to appeal to. He is not a serious source. Anyone who doubts this, go play on google for a bit.
And anyway, Webster Tarpley's "description of how Jimmy Carter was selected by a group of bankers to become the president of the United States with their decisive financial support" is just not convincing. I get that the trilateral commission exists and that it has influence. I get that the Rockefellers and Brzezinskis of the world use it to draw together politicians and academics on the make to serve their interests in government and out. What I don't get is how such a group selects people to become president and then renders them mere puppets. |
Yeah, you've got nothing. That's all. |
You claimed he was a puppet. As evidence you supply us with the work of Webster Tarpley. I have nothing? |
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