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dinga271



Joined: 31 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:57 am    Post subject: deflating request from the boss Reply with quote

My contract ends in March 2010 and my boss is paranoid about finding the 'right foreigner' to teach at his school.

So, because this guy has treated me decently (much better than my previous manager) I offered to stay until June 2010 (not in a great hurry to go home but don't want to stay for 12 months) if his search for another foreigner turns out fruitless.

After thanking me for being 'so considerate of his needs and of the importance to have a foreigner at the school' he then asks would I be willing to leave if he finds a suitable foreigner who could start in January or February. He says he wouldn't pay the bonus because the contract is broken but of course the airfare home will be still provided. I get the impression that his question is another way of implying 'if i find another foreigner i am going to fire your arse, no big deal because you're leaving in March anyway.'

If he finds somebody how much notice legally do hagwons have to give before they decide to terminate contracts?
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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 days notice or 30 days pay upfront.

If your boss has been good so far - by which I mean not cheating you out of pay and major contract issues - why doubt him in such a big way now?

If he does, it could be that he wants to cut payroll by not simply hiring a good teacher but by hiring one cheaper in a tighter job market......but I wouldn't be panicy if he's been pretty good so far...
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

___________________(insert nationality) are the nicest people in the world...until you work for them.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So he wants you to agree to lose your severance just for his convenience? Sounds very illegal.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're crazy if you agree.

Don't give him any reason to fire you... and if he does (in Jan. or Feb.) you can file with the Labor Relation Commission on grounds it's an '11th month firing' in order to avoid paying severance. They take a dim view of such actions.

I'd also think twice about extending my contract in order to help him out if he can't find someone by March. Rolling Eyes
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Mr. BlackCat



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So he wants you to stay on until he finds a replacement out of the goodness of your heart, but will fire your arse without a second thought if he finds one before your contract is up? Yeah, sounds like a stand up guy. I can see why you'd agree to help him out.
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a friend of mine got around this by re-hashing a contract to cover the extension period stating that the severence had to be paid, flight covered, notice given etc. and then boss signed.
if you start a new period, i 'think' your old agreement for severence etc is invalid.
Its probably best to make a 2-way agreement before you agree to anything.

that is, if you want to stay... sounds like he doesnt care to much what happens to you though. But at the end of the day, it is a buisness like all others.
My hogwan was in this situation once and it can be dragged on and on for a long time.

good luck
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: deflating request from the boss Reply with quote

dinga271 wrote:
M. He says he wouldn't pay the bonus because the contract is broken but of course the airfare home will be still provided. I get the impression that his question is another way of implying 'if i find another foreigner i am going to fire your arse, no big deal because you're leaving in March anyway.'

If he finds somebody how much notice legally do hagwons have to give before they decide to terminate contracts?


30 days. That said...many do not follow the law.

Your best bet is to just keep your head down and finish the contract. Get your severance and leave. This guy sounds like a snake. All smiles and politeness until you start nearing the end of contract time and then the knives come out.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has to be the worst case of 'give them an inch..." I've ever heard of.

The silence from all the apologists is deafening!
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just love reading daves. The naivety is breathtakingly amusing. Who would trust a Korean hagwon owner - let alone do them a 'favor'.

This is a common situation in Korea. You've told your employer your going to leave. That is, in your case, you don't want to work another full contract year. Telling a Korean employer you're going to leave is a huge mistake. Effectively, you've broken your relationship with him - and all he cares about now is replacing you.

I'd be very, very careful until the end of your current contract. You could have just set yourself up to be fired in the 11 month.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
This has to be the worst case of 'give them an inch..." I've ever heard of.

The silence from all the apologists is deafening!



Who would be....?

I hate to burst your bubble but apologists do not automatically come on to the side of the Korean. They look at the situation and judge it on a case by case basis.

Most of the whining on this site comes from sheer racism/ignorance...deny it all you want, it's true. This particular case though is not one of them.
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TheMeerkatLover



Joined: 26 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
cruisemonkey wrote:
This has to be the worst case of 'give them an inch..." I've ever heard of.

The silence from all the apologists is deafening!



Who would be....?

I hate to burst your bubble but apologists do not automatically come on to the side of the Korean. They look at the situation and judge it on a case by case basis.

Most of the whining on this site comes from sheer racism/ignorance...deny it all you want, it's true. This particular case though is not one of them.


Nah, they'd be banned under the guise of violating the board TOS.

I've seen it happen so many times before.

Meerkat
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benji



Joined: 21 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
cruisemonkey wrote:
This has to be the worst case of 'give them an inch..." I've ever heard of.

The silence from all the apologists is deafening!



Who would be....?

I hate to burst your bubble but apologists do not automatically come on to the side of the Korean. They look at the situation and judge it on a case by case basis.

Most of the whining on this site comes from sheer racism/ignorance...deny it all you want, it's true. This particular case though is not one of them.


Urbanmyth says apologists arent really apologists but rational fair individuals while whiners are just racists and dont have valid gripes against Korea. HAHAHAHa.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't trust the hagwon owner.

They are worse than recruiters
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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
if you start a new period, i 'think' your old agreement for severence etc is invalid.


I don't think so. Once you complete 12 months, you are entitled to that severance bonus. If you complete a 2nd full year, you are elibible for 2. But, if you leave before the 2nd is full, I believe you are supposed to get the first month's severance pay according to the law.

On this being a worst case --- I don't see it that way until he gets actually screwed.

It is true telling a boss you aren't going to sign for a 2nd year too often is an act of kying your rear parts and bending over, but so far, the boss just asked to replace him (likely with a cheaper worker in this market) and to stop severance. He hasn't doing any screwing yet....and the OP stated so far no screwing has been done on other terms........
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