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samd
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| catchshime wrote: |
| Also, can someone please explain when to use 거 vs. 것 for saying "his, hers, theirs, whose" I've seen examples using both but cannot distinguish the difference. |
것 means a thing, one, an object etc. It is often pronounced 거 though and therefore spelled that way, although as far as I know this is grammatically incorrect. |
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acrhao
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| samd wrote: |
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| Can someone please explain when to use ㅔ as opposed to ㅐ when spelling? They sound exactly the same when speaking (to me) but when writing I have no clue how to differentiate the two. Is there some sort of rule or very slight pronunciation difference audible to native Korean speakers? This has been driving me nuts when writing and when to use ㅔ vs. ㅐ for the "eh" sound. |
Some Koreans tell me there is a difference, some tell me there isn't. More than three years later they still sound the same to me. As far as spelling goes, it's just a matter of memorising the words. |
There is a slight difference in pronounciation although most people can't tell. It can be compared to the difference between the sound of "a" in apple and the "e" in egg, which most non-native English speakers can't tell apart.
As samd mentioned, it's something you just have to memorize. |
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daeguowl
Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| acrhao wrote: |
| There is a slight difference in pronounciation although most people can't tell. It can be compared to the difference between the sound of "a" in apple and the "e" in egg, which most non-native English speakers can't tell apart. |
That's such an irresponsible comparison for students of linguists to foist on the casual language-learner since it is based (presumably) on one of the North American accents...And i've seen it in so many text books. It is of no help to most non-NAs eg. in my case it's comparing 아플 and 에그 |
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catchshime
Joined: 25 Jun 2009
Location: "I am not born for one corner; the whole world is my native land."
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| whoa there... people are just trying help each other here. easy now. |
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daeguowl
Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| catchshime wrote: |
| whoa there... people are just trying help each other here. easy now. |
archao, I'm not trying to make a direct criticism of you...just had a flashback to some of the frustration I had when I first started learning Korean and I would get pronunciations wrong because "a" sounded like "b" except not in my accent... |
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thesarasmile
Joined: 18 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks you for your suggestions. I think this will definitely help...especially the phonetic descriptions.
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mikegirardi
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I think there is no actual difference between ㅔ and ㅐ in terms of pronunciation. It's like "two" and "to" in English. Or "ph" and "f". |
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Gibberish
Joined: 29 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| mikegirardi wrote: |
| I think there is no actual difference between ㅔ and ㅐ in terms of pronunciation. It's like "two" and "to" in English. Or "ph" and "f". |
Not quite right. ㅔ is "ae" as in the way the Fonz says "eyyyyyyyy", whereas ㅐ is "eh" as in "set" |
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catchshime
Joined: 25 Jun 2009
Location: "I am not born for one corner; the whole world is my native land."
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Gibberish wrote: |
| mikegirardi wrote: |
| I think there is no actual difference between ㅔ and ㅐ in terms of pronunciation. It's like "two" and "to" in English. Or "ph" and "f". |
Not quite right. ㅔ is "ae" as in the way the Fonz says "eyyyyyyyy", whereas ㅐ is "eh" as in "set" |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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Looked up 내숭 the other day and it came up with the following definition:
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| 내숭스럽다 (be) tricky;crafty;sly;insidious;wily;treacherous;underhand;snaky |
I always thought 내숭 meant 'coyness' or pretended shyness. Have I had completely the wrong idea all this time, or is the dictionary definition off? |
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weebil
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| i didnt bother to read all 19 pages of this, but real quick, maybe someone could explain when to use mogessawyo versus when to use tushigessawyo to suggest "i'm going to eat" or "won't you eat?" |
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ABC KID
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| weebil wrote: |
| i didnt bother to read all 19 pages of this, but real quick, maybe someone could explain when to use mogessawyo versus when to use tushigessawyo to suggest "i'm going to eat" or "won't you eat?" |
The difference between the two alternatives you give when used in a question is that the latter is more polite and is the better one to use to an older person. Simple as that I think. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| weebil wrote: |
| i didnt bother to read all 19 pages of this, but real quick, maybe someone could explain when to use mogessawyo versus when to use tushigessawyo to suggest "i'm going to eat" or "won't you eat?" |
The difference you are talking about is one of honorifics.
While the honorific suffix 시 can be added to most verbs, some verbs have a unique honorific form. The verbs for eat and sleep are two of the most common.
eat 먹다 honorific-드시다
점심 먹었니? 점심 먹었어요? 점심 드셨어요?
sleep 자다 honorific-주무시다
잘 잤니? 잘 잤어요? 안녕히 주무셨어요? |
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eunjeong
Joined: 27 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| did anyone take the topik a few weeks ago? how do you think you did? |
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daeguowl
Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
Looked up 내숭 the other day and it came up with the following definition:
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| 내숭스럽다 (be) tricky;crafty;sly;insidious;wily;treacherous;underhand;snaky |
I always thought 내숭 meant 'coyness' or pretended shyness. Have I had completely the wrong idea all this time, or is the dictionary definition off? |
Consulted with my wife and she says nobody uses 내숭스럽다....
people use 내숭 떨지말아 to mean "don't pretend to be innocent"
or 내숭이다 "to pretend to be innocent" |
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