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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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 Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
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| The thing I don't understand about private trackers is, what is on private trackers that isn't available on mininova? The only files I have trouble finding on mininova are ebooks. I would love to join a private ebook tracker. |
Second that. |
There are a lot of niche private trackers. I use one for getting NFL football rips, I use one for getting mac stuff, I use one for getting Asian content dvds, another has film noir stuff that is hard to find, you get the picture.
Oh plus they are more secure so you don't need to worry about RIAA or MPAA coming to your ISP and making waves. |
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greasypeanut
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
Location: songtan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| i gotta ask...whats the point in uploading alot of things to have a high ratio? is torrent dl/ul ratio the new measurement of e-peen? |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| greasypeanut wrote: |
| i gotta ask...whats the point in uploading alot of things to have a high ratio? is torrent dl/ul ratio the new measurement of e-peen? |
A ratio above 1.0 will keep you a member of a site which provides fast and safe downloads. Kinda obvious. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| greasypeanut wrote: |
| i gotta ask...whats the point in uploading alot of things to have a high ratio? is torrent dl/ul ratio the new measurement of e-peen? |
Having a high ratio gives one a buffer so they can download stuff that might be older or not well seeded.
For some people it might seem like an e-peen thing, but IMO how much you actually upload to a site is probably a bigger indication of that, as usually if you download a lot it is hard to have a super high ratio.
Also, you need people who overseed due to all the douchebags who feel they can hit and run on a torrent and not give back. I don't do sites that penalize heavily on overseeders, as then ppl are too scared to grab something for fear of not seeding enough or leaving their puter going and overseeding too much. |
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greasypeanut
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
Location: songtan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
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| i gotta ask...whats the point in uploading alot of things to have a high ratio? is torrent dl/ul ratio the new measurement of e-peen? |
A ratio above 1.0 will keep you a member of a site which provides fast and safe downloads. Kinda obvious. |
well i personally have a demonoid account, but like another poster here, ive never had a problem with getting things from public places. isohunt ftw. that being said, i do leave utorrent on while my computer is on so it can upload, but i set a cap to the upload speeds lol. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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^ Demonoid is a private tracker in name only. They don't seem to worry about members ratio's too much.
There are quite a few true member sites out there which are hard to get into. Invite only. They can almost guarantee d/l speeds of 1mbps or more. Once you get used to knowing that your BT sites will give you only good quality HD files at lightning sppeds, it's hard to go back to public sites.......although I do still use public sites for a lot of stuff. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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i was too lazy to respond earlier in this thread, but a good collection of decent to great private trackers would enable you to find absolutely anything digital you want. and i mean anything. it's definitely not just about speeds. sure, you can find MAINSTREAM media everywhere on public trackers, but you're crazy if you think that's the majority of what's available.
also, for people who archive downloads like me, private trackers can't be replaced. i collect music and i can pretty much find any album by almost any artist in various digital forms (320kbps, CD FLAC, 32bit vynl, etc.) on what.cd. you just can't get those files on a public tracker.
as one poster stated earlier, private trackers are also great for niche interests. take bitspyder, for example. it's a private tracker dedicated for e-learning materials.
it's really hard to explain how much there really is to download on the web. i'd suggest getting into a private tracker and experiencing them for yourselves. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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I use one for getting Asian content dvds. |
Are you referring to ADC  ? If you are, I love that site. I've been a member there for years and years. I just downloaded Dirty Ho last night in 5 minutes flat (6.4gb). I love all the freeleech on there. Kind of bummed they haven't started accepting BRs, though. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:50 am Post subject: |
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For example?
There is practically nothing I haven't been able to find on mininova. Literally all mainstream media is available. Even relatively obscure Korean films are readily available. The only advantage I can think of is faster downloads. But who cares? You have to wait 2 hours instead of 45mins? Makes no real difference. |
Uh..no relatively obscure Korean films aren't available. I have around 400 Korean films and I constantly find tons of Korean films on private trackers that I don't find on public sites. Even if I search for the release names, the only thing I find on public trackers are old dead torrents that haven't been seeded in a long time. New, popular korean movies often show up on public trackers, but old ones are never maintained. The same goes for various other countries movies. I'm a member of two private sites (avistaz and karagarga) and I'd hazard a guess that if you tried to find all the movies that have seeds on those sites right now on public trackers you'd only find about 30%.
There are also private ebook sites that have a lot of content you won't find on public trackers. Thebox (british TV) regularly has series on it that you can't find on public trackers. When I watched Holby Blue, the first season didn't show up on public trackers until several months later. No 2 hour wait there.
You will also find a lot of music on these sites that you might not have gone out of your way to search for. If all you listen to/watch is music and TV/Movies that are blockbusters and the height of pop culture you will have no problem finding most stuff on public trackers.
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| I am usually 20-60 ratio on each torrent I grab. Why? |
I'd tell you why, but it'd be a mod edit. You talk about the #1 guy abusing, anyone who goes significantly over 1.0, while helpful to some users is hurting other users. If you hit 60.0 on a torrent that is 60 other people that have to eat your ratio deficit. I'm sure he's hurting more people than you, but it doesn't really make yours any better.
SK possibly throttles upload speeds.
http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/bttest-mlab.php
you can test your ISP there to see if there is possibly some throttling. I can also get a pretty decent upload speed on public trackers, easily over 100K, but on the private trackers, it crawls, even when I'm the initial seed. I up'd 2 movies (not at the same time) 15 leechers each, I never averaged more than 30k up. I can jump on any random TV show torrent and almost instantly start seeding at 150K.
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| ^ Demonoid is a private tracker in name only. They don't seem to worry about members ratio's too much. |
their torrents are public, there is no passkey. Just find a public site that scrapes demonoid and you don't need an account there. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:14 am Post subject: |
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crossmr:
The only place I get near a 60 ratio on stuff is at TYT and that is because I don't throttle my speeds while I am leeching. All that ratio is while leeching. It isn't my fault buddy with his 4KB/s upload in NA takes a week to seed back 1:1. Also, 90% of the leechers on there are in Europe and my seedbox is in Europe. You do the math. I pointed out earlier, the facts are most people don't seed back 1:1 on every torrent they grab. They are content with having an overall ratio of or near 1:1. Without people with big pipes, the regular joe shmoe in NA (they have the majority of crappy ISPs) wouldn't be able to grab all the stuff they do, as fast as they do. Outside of Korea, Japan and a couple countries in Europe, the world has crappy home speeds.
Bloopity Bloop:
Yeah ADC is great. It isn't private like where do I get an invite like private. However, that place has content that is hard to find elsewhere. The other place that I got a hell of a lot of Asian DVDs from is BitHQ, which was started a couple years ago when ADC went down for a few months. Lately though they have been going more mainstream on stuff.
Someone mentioned KG, which is a good site for hard to find stuff. I wish they did more DVDs though. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| The only place I get near a 60 ratio on stuff is at TYT and that is because I don't throttle my speeds while I am leeching. All that ratio is while leeching. It isn't my fault buddy with his 4KB/s upload in NA takes a week to seed back 1:1. Also, 90% of the leechers on there are in Europe and my seedbox is in Europe. You do the math. I pointed out earlier, the facts are most people don't seed back 1:1 on every torrent they grab. They are content with having an overall ratio of or near 1:1. Without people with big pipes, the regular joe shmoe in NA (they have the majority of crappy ISPs) wouldn't be able to grab all the stuff they do, as fast as they do. Outside of Korea, Japan and a couple countries in Europe, the world has crappy home speeds. |
Even if you only get 20 that is still 20 people that need to eat your deficit on that torrent, but it depends on the site. Various sites have various rules. It just really burns me on sites that are 1.0 nazis and you have these guys with massive pipes consistently getting 20.0+ on torrents where only 50 people snatch it and any time anyone complains about it, they're told to stfu because whoever happens to be reading the thread has a ratio above 1.0
private trackers are flawed if they don't realize that holding everyone to 1.0 is a losers game unless they make some concessions. I was on one site that would give you a hit and run status on a torrent unless you seeded for x hours/days/etc after you hit 1.0. As long as you didn't have more than 3 hit and runs on your profile you were good. They recognized that not every user is created equal but didn't feel like telling the people with 100 MB lines to sod off and let the other people catch up. So they created an alternative system.
I've always maintained a 1-2 ratio on all my private trackers, but sometimes that requires leaving a torrent open for weeks, especially on KG. Sometimes I get tired of it though and want to clean off my drive and just eat the loss.
In Korea it is made worse because I've been having issues with people connecting to me on private trackers. Public trackers no problem, tons of connections, lots of speed, my favorite private trackers.. people are having all kinds of issues, and when they do connect its slow. I can't figure it out.
I had to deal with the 3/1 DSL in canada..so I know all about crappy home speeds. As I said, the big pipes are great for getting your stuff fast, kudos on that, but if the site has a strict 1.0 policy for each individual user, that can be a detriment for a lot of people as well. Sure you get that 1.4 GB in 10 minutes, but its going to take you 4 weeks to upload it competing with all those big pipes. |
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ppcg4
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| I would give my soul for a waffles or what.cd invite. If any of you could find it within yourselves to send me an invite, I would be incredibly happy. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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crossmr:
The last time I ran torrents in Korea I found that my biggest problem in having private sites connect to me was making sure the ports were open in my router. Have you checked to see if it is your router?
I had a dedicated 500GB drive and I found back then my speeds weren't so bad torrenting around the world. If I had 20+ torrents seeding I would get some buffer and maybe move to the 2.0 to 3.0 bracket.
My ISP back then was Hanaro and I only had cable modem with a little faster than a 10mb line...I think it was 30 to 50mbs.
From what I've seen, in the past year to year and a half, more and more people are getting seedboxes and it is almost impossible to compete with that from Korea. The day OVH starts busting all the seedbox servers is the day your speeds will rise again.
And KG is a special case, things there require LONG seed times unless you are an initial leecher on something. I am just glad most things I have grabbed are small. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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crossmr:
The last time I ran torrents in Korea I found that my biggest problem in having private sites connect to me was making sure the ports were open in my router. Have you checked to see if it is your router?
I had a dedicated 500GB drive and I found back then my speeds weren't so bad torrenting around the world. If I had 20+ torrents seeding I would get some buffer and maybe move to the 2.0 to 3.0 bracket.
My ISP back then was Hanaro and I only had cable modem with a little faster than a 10mb line...I think it was 30 to 50mbs.
From what I've seen, in the past year to year and a half, more and more people are getting seedboxes and it is almost impossible to compete with that from Korea. The day OVH starts busting all the seedbox servers is the day your speeds will rise again.
And KG is a special case, things there require LONG seed times unless you are an initial leecher on something. I am just glad most things I have grabbed are small. |
Yup ports are fine. I did the glasnot test and it says that SK may be rate limiting bittorrent uploads, but that doesn't explain why I have so much success on public trackers vs private ones.
The situations I've noticed most there are where I am the initial seed. I'm not competing with anyone, yet even when someone connects I'm getting low speeds. Even lower than the rate limiting suggests. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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From what I've seen, in the past year to year and a half, more and more people are getting seedboxes and it is almost impossible to compete with that from Korea. The day OVH starts busting all the seedbox servers is the day your speeds will rise again.
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Actually, I noticed earlier that you said you have a seedbox. I've been looking into these but am still a bit unsure of where to start.
My understanding so far: you download files to the seedbox and then download them from the server to your home pc/laptop. But I guess since I'm running a 100mbit connection, I could just download things directly from peers to my computer.
I'm more concerned about uploading--so would I upload files to my seedbox, where it would then upload to peers? Why does it upload so much faster?
Hopefully my questions make some kind of sense.
Also, do you have any recommendations for seedboxes? And do you think they are worth the extra $30-50 a month versus just buying DVDs/movies (each month: internet + seedbox = ~ $100, then you have to add hard drive/DVD media costs for backing up your downloads). |
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