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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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He should of be given the Death penalty!
he has destroyed that girls life for ever! |
Do you sense any irony that your avatar is of an accused child molester? 
Just messing with you man.  |
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Forward Observer
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Location: FOB Gloria
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/10/117_52781.html
An eight-year-old girl named Na-young was on her way to school as usual in Ansan, Gyeonggi Province, on Dec. 11, 2008.
That trip tragically altered her life. A 57-year-old alcoholic, identified by his family name Cho, took her into a nearby abandoned public toilet, and repeatedly raped and beat her.
For this heinous crime, the Supreme Court Tuesday upheld an Appellate Court�s decision to sentence Cho to 12 years behind bars. Once he is released, he will be monitored at all times for the next seven years with an electronic ankle bracelet.
For five out of the seven years, his name, photo and address of his residence will be kept public.
The punishment comes after doctors found that the victim not only suffered from mental stress but also serious physical injuries.
However, the case was noted for the fact that it was the victim who made possible the arrest of her perpetrator.
Barely one hour after the incident, she recovered consciousness and called the police. Cho was caught within three days after being caught on a surveillance camera near the crime scene.
A crime scene investigation team found sperm left in his pants and came up with a positive DNA match to the perpetrator.
�His crime is heinous in nature and devastating in damage. The court decided not to recognize the accused�s plea for leniency,� Supreme Court Justice Ahn Dae-hee said.
The incident recently came into the media spotlight again after a TV newsmagazine program used the case to highlight the necessity of electronic ankle bracelets for convicted sexual offenders.
The program quoted Na-young as saying she wanted the offender to stay behind bars for the rest of his life.
�He should stay isolated from people forever,� she was quoted as saying.
The case has had much resonance on the Internet.
Many netizens expressed anger over Cho and called for a heavier sentence. �He deserves to get a life sentence,� an Internet user said. �The court is too generous to such heinous criminals,� another user added.
The article leaves out the more gruesome details that all Korean papers are reporting. |
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bish
Joined: 09 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Is it true that the guy who did this was a Christian Minister in Ansan? I read this on the comments section of Brian's blog...
I live in Ansan and have seen some weirdo's going around. A guy was masturbating at women in the Subway underpass last Saturday night. Nobody did anything.
My girlfriend and I saw an old drunk guy groping a High School girl in a Jimjilbang the other week. She was too scared to move. We asked her if she knew him and she said she didn't. We told her to move away from him and reported him to the staff. The staff did nothing. There were plenty of older Koreans about who also could have done something.
I find this common non-reaction one of the most disturbing things about Korea. Of course, in Britain and America there are plenty of deviants but the media and people are open about it.
I can accept "cultural differences" but I really do not understand this aspect of Korean culture. I think Korean people, not just the police, should be much more vigilante against deviant behavior.
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I can accept "cultural differences" but I really do not understand this aspect of Korean culture. I think Korean people, not just the police, should be much more vigilante against deviant behavior. |
IMO, there's quite a bit of denial in Korean society about this kind of thing. Koreans have a kind of self-perception as being a very ordered and sane people. They don't want to recognise that there are as many degenerates in Korea as anywhere else. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Smee wrote: |
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Indeed, lenient sentences exist in all our countries.
And the national disgrace is that in my country, any crime requiring jail time can turn into a death sentence, considering how unsafe our prisons are.
I'd like to find out what the judge had to say in this case (my Korean isn't good enough to figure it out). We've seen that the sentencing guidelines stipulate 3 year suspended sentences for ordinary rape, and we saw the case in Jeonju earlier in the year where a four men raped a handicapped little girl in their family for seven years, and the judge handed out suspended sentences and gave the kid back to them, so yeah, 12 years does seem kind of like a long time in Korea. And, we've seen rapists and all manner of criminals get leniency because of being drunk, so no surprise that he brought that circumstance up. |
I don't remember whether you posted about it on your blog, or whether it was before your blog's time, but there was a story a while back about a 14 year old girl who'd basically been kidnapped by her uncle and been pimped out. The girl had 'serviced' several hundred people, including doctors, professors, lawyers and other people of important positions, all of which were known by the police. Was there ever any follow up on that? Did those "important" people ever get their names put in the newspapers? Or was it all covered up? I suspect about 400 of the perpetrators each put up about $1000 a piece and bought the family off in order to drop any prosecution. Any info on what actually happened?
These crazy stories happen at least three times a year, but we never ever hear the 'end result'; ie someone actually being prosecuted. |
I'm not exactly sure the one you're talking about. It was before my time I think. But you're right we don't hear many follow-ups (in English). I'll need to improve my Korean before I start finding them. But here are a few other stories of interest.
"Middle School Girl Forced Into Prostitution "
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Police have arrested three suspects on charges of detaining a middle school girl and forcing her into prostitution with 800 men including a college professor and a doctor. According to police, the suspects held Jeon, a 14-year-old middle school student, against her will in motels in Gwangju, South Jeolla province and forced her to prostitute herself. The suspects are charged with beating Jeon, who pleaded with them to let her go, once every two or three days and burning her hands with cigarettes.
Chonbuk Provincial Police Agency said some 800 men bought sex with the girl, including a public servant and professionals such as a college professor, a doctor and a pharmacist. The suspects allegedly posted articles that hinted at prostitution on chat forums to lure customers. Police said they forced Jeon to have sex with customers at least five times a day and took all her earnings amounting to some W120 million (US$1=W928). |
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200706/200706050018.html
Here's a guy who was found not guilty b/c he was drunk:
"Stepfather Given Not Guilty Verdict for `Touching� Daughter"
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/nation_view.asp?newsIdx=12875&categoryCode=117
We read about a teacher arrested for raping students, but who had seven prior arrests on his record:
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| Currently, criminal records of those sentenced to less than three years in prison are removed after five years. As such, schools can't always ascertain the criminal record of would-be teachers. |
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/04/korean-teacher-arrested-for-rape-had.html |
Seeing as a rape sentence could be less than 3 years here this is a ridiculous rule. |
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Benicio
Joined: 25 May 2006
Location: Down South- where it's hot & wet
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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The Korean justice system is ridiculously lenient on assault cases, especially sexual assault.
For straight up rape, on the first offence, suspended sentence is the usual "punishment". There are many cases where the assaulter gets off free for flimsy defenses- "not enough evidence".
"I was drunk, so I am not responsible" has to be the all time winner for ridiculous defense. The sad part is that so many assaulters get let go free with this excuse.
As for Korean prisons, everyone should already guess that they are not like US prisons. There is no wide spread problem of rapes, beatings, or stabbings like in the States.
I have a few friends who have spent time inside here and while it is no walk in the park, inmates are relatively safe.
This guy should definitely be executed!
Scum does not deserve to live.
However, a quick death is too good for him.
With evil like this, I believe they should be chained up in the center of town and the public should be able to do whatever they want to him.
The victims or their families should get first crack, though.
Shame all around! |
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Benicio
Joined: 25 May 2006
Location: Down South- where it's hot & wet
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| IMO, there's quite a bit of denial in Korean society about this kind of thing. Koreans have a kind of self-perception as being a very ordered and sane people. They don't want to recognise that there are as many degenerates in Korea as anywhere else. |
I totally agree!
It's all about appearances and "face".
Better to deny the problem than to face it here. |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Benicio wrote: |
This guy should definitely be executed!
Scum does not deserve to live.
However, a quick death is too good for him.
With evil like this, I believe they should be chained up in the center of town and the public should be able to do whatever they want to him.
The victims or their families should get first crack, though.
Shame all around! |
I total disagree with this. The main reason being is the damage that it will do to the people that exact the punishment. Inflicting pain on others hurts that person (and I'm not talking about a karmic rteacher soul type thing). Know that you can kill, torture and hurt people, even bad people reduces the value of life
I also believe that some people just can not be helped and need to be put down. Just as some animals are wired wrong, some people are too. No torture, no drama just a painless simple injection. |
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bish
Joined: 09 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| blackjack wrote: |
| Benicio wrote: |
This guy should definitely be executed!
Scum does not deserve to live.
However, a quick death is too good for him.
With evil like this, I believe they should be chained up in the center of town and the public should be able to do whatever they want to him.
The victims or their families should get first crack, though.
Shame all around! |
I also believe that some people just can not be helped and need to be put down. Just as some animals are wired wrong, some people are too. No torture, no drama just a painless simple injection. |
You are right about not allowing torture or public revenge but I think an injection is too good for them. I'd prefer them to be locked up in solitary confinement in poor conditions and given absolutely no treatment for illness etc. Let them die slowly, painfully and naturally... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Benicio wrote: |
The Korean justice system is ridiculously lenient on assault cases, especially sexual assault.
For straight up rape, on the first offence, suspended sentence is the usual "punishment".
Link?
There are many cases where the assaulter gets off free for flimsy defenses- "not enough evidence".
Link?
"I was drunk, so I am not responsible" has to be the all time winner for ridiculous defense. The sad part is that so many assaulters get let go free with this excuse.
How many? Link?
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| bish wrote: |
| blackjack wrote: |
| Benicio wrote: |
This guy should definitely be executed!
Scum does not deserve to live.
However, a quick death is too good for him.
With evil like this, I believe they should be chained up in the center of town and the public should be able to do whatever they want to him.
The victims or their families should get first crack, though.
Shame all around! |
I also believe that some people just can not be helped and need to be put down. Just as some animals are wired wrong, some people are too. No torture, no drama just a painless simple injection. |
You are right about not allowing torture or public revenge but I think an injection is too good for them. I'd prefer them to be locked up in solitary confinement in poor conditions and given absolutely no treatment for illness etc. Let them die slowly, painfully and naturally... |
To me that is still torture. Lock them up and treat them humanly or put them down. Someone still has to supervise the person slowly dying.
You don't torture animals, you treat them or kill them. |
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Benicio
Joined: 25 May 2006
Location: Down South- where it's hot & wet
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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My blood gets boiling at crimes like this.
Actually, locked in a dark solitary room for the rest of his life with no human contact would be better.
Urbanmyth, have you been living under a rock?
Go link yourself! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Benicio wrote: |
My blood gets boiling at crimes like this.
Actually, locked in a dark solitary room for the rest of his life with no human contact would be better.
Urbanmyth, have you been living under a rock?
Go link yourself! |
So a nice polite request for sources to back up what you were saying is replied to with "Go link yourself."?
Next time don't make up stuff and then you won't get asked to provide non-existent proof. |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Benicio wrote: |
The Korean justice system is ridiculously lenient on assault cases, especially sexual assault.
For straight up rape, on the first offence, suspended sentence is the usual "punishment".
Link?
There are many cases where the assaulter gets off free for flimsy defenses- "not enough evidence".
Link?
"I was drunk, so I am not responsible" has to be the all time winner for ridiculous defense. The sad part is that so many assaulters get let go free with this excuse.
How many? Link?
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Off the top of my head
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/05/fifth-anniversary-of-this-ruling.html
The 49 yr old didn't get a suspended sentence, he got off with nothing I think. This also applies to the "not enough evidence" statement because the courts ruled that there was "not enough violence" to constitute rape.
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2008/03/man-beats-up-elementary-school-student.html
The police weren't even interested in catching this guy because they claim that it was just a common assualt case by some drunk guy. He basically would have been a free man if it weren't for the parents raising a stink.
There's probably a handful of other incidents where a guy gets no punishment for rape/sexual misconduct, or uses the "drunk" defence (sometimes successfully, sometimes not). |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| mayorgc wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Benicio wrote: |
The Korean justice system is ridiculously lenient on assault cases, especially sexual assault.
For straight up rape, on the first offence, suspended sentence is the usual "punishment".
Link?
There are many cases where the assaulter gets off free for flimsy defenses- "not enough evidence".
Link?
"I was drunk, so I am not responsible" has to be the all time winner for ridiculous defense. The sad part is that so many assaulters get let go free with this excuse.
How many? Link?
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Off the top of my head
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/05/fifth-anniversary-of-this-ruling.html
The 49 yr old didn't get a suspended sentence, he got off with nothing I think. This also applies to the "not enough evidence" statement because the courts ruled that there was "not enough violence" to constitute rape.
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2008/03/man-beats-up-elementary-school-student.html
The police weren't even interested in catching this guy because they claim that it was just a common assualt case by some drunk guy. He basically would have been a free man if it weren't for the parents raising a stink.
There's probably a handful of other incidents where a guy gets no punishment for rape/sexual misconduct, or uses the "drunk" defence (sometimes successfully, sometimes not). |
Yes, there is probably a handful...I quite agree with you on that. But I was asking for proof where this is the "USUAL punishment" (the actual words used by the poster...capitals are mine for emphasis)
In addition he said that there were "many cases" and "many assaulters get let go free".
I think we can also agree that a handful is not "many" in any sense of the word.
Anyway have a good Chusok...I'm out of here for the next couple of days. |
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