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Canadian election, who would you vote for?
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freethought



Joined: 13 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:28 am    Post subject: Canadian election, who would you vote for? Reply with quote

So once again Canada may be headed to the polls. Things are pretty up in the air right now, but I'm interested in hearing why Canadians on this board would or wouldn't vote for any of the major parties.
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Pink Freud



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

green
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NDP. Lifelong habit.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either Conservative, Liberal, NDP or Green.
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freethought



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
NDP. Lifelong habit.


Are you looking to break the habit? I might be able to devise a 12 step vote liberal program...
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freethought



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
Either Conservative, Liberal, NDP or Green.


What about the Canadian Action Party? The Maryjane party?
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AgentM



Joined: 07 Jun 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody. I've joined the ranks of the apathetic non-voters.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will believe an election when I see one! Ignatieff seems to trot out this ploy constantly lately to build some buzz. Then the talk goes away when the Liberals realize an election would result in another minority government and an awful lot of people annoyed at them for the costly PR act.

I don't want to provoke people. I just don't think there's a lot of actual ideological difference between Conservatives and Liberals in Canada, and I used to tell people in the states that it was like choosing between a Bill Clinton Democrat party and an Obama Democrat party. I never cared for Layton much, but I did like Ed Broadbent (leader of NDP in 70s), even if I didn't agree with him. Intelligent man.

I have to say that, while my politics fall closer to the Liberals in Canada, I see the parties as geographic parties and not ones of ideology. Because I am from Alberta and still identify with it, I will never, ever, ever vote for the party of Tr*deau. I just cannot do it. To this day I cannot buy gas from a Petro-Canada station, and have nearly run out of gas a few times because of it in my life.

I realize this is a little perverse, but I understand completely people from Jeolla or Gyeongsan who could not force themselves to like presidents Roh or Kim, no matter what they did!
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ManintheMiddle



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farley Mowat's got my vote, as long as he lives among the Arctic wolves after his election and moves Toronto to the Northwest Territories.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won't be. I'm disqualified under part 11 subsection D of the Canadian Elections Act.
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fiveeagles



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank God for Harper!
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No_hite_pls



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Location: Don't hate me because I'm right

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:
Thank God for Harper!


Why? What has Harper done that has been good?
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mises



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a socialist so the NDP is out. I'm not from Quebec, so no Bloc. I have voted Green, but that was a protest vote.

It is down to the Liberals and Conservatives. I've been thinking about this. What are the differences between how the Libs governed and how the Cons are governing? I can't see too many. My two main beefs with Canada right now are 1) the criminalization of drugs and 2) us being in Afghanistan. Will either party touch these? No. Maybe the Libs will change pot laws, but that isn't enough. I guess it is a protest vote for the Greens again.

Though an election looks unlikely in the near term.
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freethought



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pot was slated to be decriminalized under Martin; one of the few things my old boss did right. But we were defeated by a confidence motion and that was that.

My position is that legalizing and controlling pot is a policy change that would only have positive benefits. When all is accounted for (taxes, savings etc) it's likely Canada could gross about 5 billion dollars a year in revenue, which would mean a 10% reduction in the debt right now.

I think those who point out that the differences seem to be lacking between the Libs and the CPC have a point but are also overlooking a number of things. The CPC has their hands tied by a minority government, and there's no telling what they might do if there hands were suddenly freed. I say this as one of the people who put together documents on their MPs, and they have a lot of far right nut jobs. But there are issues right now that speak to the differences.

Harper's 'tough on crime' and desire to build private US style prisons is a huge difference. Crime rates are extremely low right now, but the conservative 'fear' factor makes them focus on things that aren't a threat. The American system is not one to emulate, since they have one of, if not the highest incarceration rate in the world. every major study says the tough on crime approach the CPC is advocating is counter productive. But yet they wanted it anyway.

They are a party that isn't sure if climate change is 'real'.

They can't seem to count to save their lives (105 billion dollars off the mark on the deficit???). They used to go ape poop over our ' deliberately underestimating' the SURPLUS by a couple of billion dollars.

My point is simply that despite similarities likely brought about by the need to govern from the centre (there's a reason my party has held power for 75% of the last century), there are very real and important differences between the two parties.
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Kimbop



Joined: 31 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

freethought wrote:
Pot was slated to be decriminalized under Martin; one of the few things my old boss did right. But we were defeated by a confidence motion and that was that.

My position is that legalizing and controlling pot is a policy change that would only have positive benefits. When all is accounted for (taxes, savings etc) it's likely Canada could gross about 5 billion dollars a year in revenue, which would mean a 10% reduction in the debt right now.


Pot should be legalized. It's not an election issue.

Don't know where you come up with the 5 bill per year revenue, but fine. I Also don't know why you think 5 bill would account for 10% of our debt. We're in the hole about 500 billion and it's slated to rise, thanks to the ndp and liberals who demanded, under threat of election, that harper spend money like a drunken sailor.

http://www.debtclock.ca/


freethought wrote:

Harper's 'tough on crime' and desire to build private US style prisons is a huge difference. Crime rates are extremely low right now, but the conservative 'fear' factor makes them focus on things that aren't a threat. The American system is not one to emulate, since they have one of, if not the highest incarceration rate in the world. every major study says the tough on crime approach the CPC is advocating is counter productive. But yet they wanted it anyway.



We need harsher penalties for drunk drivers, vancouver gang/toronto jamiacan gang gun offenders, and young offenders (who are well aware that all they'll get is a slap on the wrist). And most Canadians have no qualms with having high-risk offenders and pedophiles permanently jailed. (liberals have historically opted to "nurture" the pedophile until they recidivate)

Overall crime is declining as median age rises. Anyway, google it.

freethought wrote:

They are a party that isn't sure if climate change is 'real'.



Sure seems like they think climate change is "real":

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/4739/78192

Canadians in 2009 want jobs. Golbal warming has taken the sideline.

freethought wrote:

They can't seem to count to save their lives (105 billion dollars off the mark on the deficit???). They used to go ape poop over our ' deliberately underestimating' the SURPLUS by a couple of billion dollars.



If it were up to your liberals, you could guarantee that the deficit would have been higher! At least the cons are ideologically opposed to deficits, and didn;t want a "stimulus package" to being with!
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