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Ghostinthemachine
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Hey iwacima 'fraid I can't offer you any advice but I just wanted to weigh in and offer my sympathy. What a crappy thing to happen!
If the driver had any decency he'd have handed in your passport.  |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Ghostinthemachine wrote: |
| If the driver had any decency he'd have handed in your passport. |
If you were a taxi driver and you were just stiffed on a fare, would you be so quick to do that? |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Ghostinthemachine wrote: |
| If the driver had any decency he'd have handed in your passport. |
If you were a taxi driver and you were just stiffed on a fare, would you be so quick to do that? |
Yes. I am the reincarnation of Ghandi, and not the chick. |
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iwacima
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Ghostinthemachine wrote: |
| If the driver had any decency he'd have handed in your passport. |
If you were a taxi driver and you were just stiffed on a fare, would you be so quick to do that? |
I don't think I tried to stiff him. He wanted an additional 10,000won on top of the 31,000won fare. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| iwacima wrote: |
| I don't think I tried to stiff him. He wanted an additional 10,000won on top of the 31,000won fare. |
The meter rate is strictly for in-city fares and you took a Seoul taxi into another city. In Korea, when you take a taxi out of the city and into another you pay a surcharge simply because the driver then has to drive back or sit around wherever you went to until they get a fare back to Seoul. Normally they tell you the rate up front, but not always because to major locations all the taxi drivers generally charge the same surcharge so sometimes it's overlooked and simply billed upon arrival.
So, yes, you stiffed him. You didn't realize you were, but you did.
If you wanted to only pay the meter rate, you would have needed to have taken an Incheon taxi which could be found around many local subway stations, or just had someone phone a taxi company and see if they have an Incheon taxi already in Seoul near you that would pick you up. |
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iwacima
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| iwacima wrote: |
| I don't think I tried to stiff him. He wanted an additional 10,000won on top of the 31,000won fare. |
The meter rate is strictly for in-city fares and you took a Seoul taxi into another city. In Korea, when you take a taxi out of the city and into another you pay a surcharge simply because the driver then has to drive back or sit around wherever you went to until they get a fare back to Seoul. Normally they tell you the rate up front, but not always because to major locations all the taxi drivers generally charge the same surcharge so sometimes it's overlooked and simply billed upon arrival.
So, yes, you stiffed him. You didn't realize you were, but you did.
If you wanted to only pay the meter rate, you would have needed to have taken an Incheon taxi which could be found around many local subway stations, or just had someone phone a taxi company and see if they have an Incheon taxi already in Seoul near you that would pick you up. |
Yes, I understand that taxi drivers traveling from one city to another city will charge a surcharge because there is a probability that they may not find someone who wants to go back to the originating city. However, for Seoul taxi drivers at the Incheon Airport it's very easy to find a return fare as most people who are wanting a taxi at the airport are probably going to Seoul.
Also, yesterday when I came back to Seoul, I went to the Korean Tourist Organization near city hall to get telephone numbers of the Taxi Drivers Association and the Police Station to inquire if someone turned in a passport. The women there were amazingly helpful. They called various taxi companies for me and the police. They also said that it was "strange" for the taxi driver to want 10,000won. One of them said sometimes maybe 5,000won, but their feeling was 10,000won was too much.
I'm not looking for an argument. It's just that I don't think I stiffed him, considering he never mentioned any surcharge when he picked me up (I told him I was going to Incheon Airport even before I loaded my baggage into his taxi) and the chances of him finding a fare back to Seoul from the airport at 9:30am are high. To top if off, he let me off on the arrival level and not the departure level, I presume to get another fare without even having to circle the airport in order to return to a different level.
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| iwacima wrote: |
| for Seoul taxi drivers at the Incheon Airport it's very easy to find a return fare as most people who are wanting a taxi at the airport are probably going to Seoul. |
Are Seoul taxis allowed to queue at Incheon airport? |
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iwacima
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
| iwacima wrote: |
| for Seoul taxi drivers at the Incheon Airport it's very easy to find a return fare as most people who are wanting a taxi at the airport are probably going to Seoul. |
Are Seoul taxis allowed to queue at Incheon airport? |
Legally, I don't think they can. But I'm not sure. Usually the driver goes inside the airport and asks random people if they are wanting a taxi to Seoul.
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Legally, I don't think they can. But I'm not sure. Usually the driver goes inside the airport and asks random people if they are wanting a taxi to Seoul. |
Well there is the answer then. Taxi touting at Incheon airport is illegal. There are signs up there that say as much. The only legal taxis are in the queue, so if Seoul taxis can't queue up there, then he should have been entitled to a surcharge. |
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iwacima
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
| iwacima wrote: |
| Legally, I don't think they can. But I'm not sure. Usually the driver goes inside the airport and asks random people if they are wanting a taxi to Seoul. |
Well there is the answer then. Taxi touting at Incheon airport is illegal. There are signs up there that say as much. The only legal taxis are in the queue, so if Seoul taxis can't queue up there, then he should have been entitled to a surcharge. |
Why should he be entitled to an inflated surcharge when he was expecting to find a return fare back to Seoul? He also didn't mention a surcharge when I told him I was going to the airport. The guy could speak a bit of English too, so I'm sure he had the ability to tell me BEFORE I got into the taxi that he was going to charge me an additional 10,000won on the meter price.
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| iwacima wrote: |
| Why should he be entitled to an inflated surcharge when he was expecting to find a return fare back to Seoul? |
That was my whole point: If he's not allowed in the airport queue, then he could not have been expecting a return fare back to Seoul. |
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iwacima
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
| iwacima wrote: |
| Why should he be entitled to an inflated surcharge when he was expecting to find a return fare back to Seoul? |
That was my whole point: If he's not allowed in the airport queue, then he could not have been expecting a return fare back to Seoul. |
Can you read? My POINT is that he was expecting a return fare as most people wanting a taxi at the airport are going to Seoul. He also dropped me off on the arrival level and NOT the departure level.
I was also speaking to a Korean who just returned from the airport and he said that it is LEGAL for Seoul taxis to queue at the airport at POST 18. So the driver did try to rip me off by charging an inflated surcharge (10,000won) when he was expecting to find a fare back to Seoul.
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iwacima
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
| iwacima wrote: |
| Legally, I don't think they can. But I'm not sure. Usually the driver goes inside the airport and asks random people if they are wanting a taxi to Seoul. |
Well there is the answer then. Taxi touting at Incheon airport is illegal. There are signs up there that say as much. The only legal taxis are in the queue, so if Seoul taxis can't queue up there, then he should have been entitled to a surcharge. |
I never said it was illegal for taxis to queue at the airport......I said I wasn't sure. However, upon checking with some friends and looking at the Incheon Airport website I have learned that it is LEGAL for them to queue there. Taxi touting may be illegal, but they can legally wait for passengers at specified numbered posts.
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Can you read? My POINT is that he was expecting a return fare as most people wanting a taxi at the airport are going to Seoul. He also dropped me off on the arrival level and NOT the departure level.
I was also speaking to a Korean who just returned from the airport and he said that it is LEGAL for Seoul taxis to queue at the airport at POST 18. So the driver did try to rip me off by charging an inflated surcharge (10,000won) when he was expecting to find a fare back to Seoul. |
Queing up or not, once you leave the city you are expected to pay a surcharge. Particularly since he may have for an eternity to get someone who is heading into Seoul.
You cite the surcharge as being inflated, but it appears that others disagree. Plus you didn't even pay anything extra anyway, so it's a moot point.
You stiffed a driver, and then the driver didn't help you when you left your passport in his vehicle. Instead of being defensive and posting justifications on why you stiffed a driver, why not turn this around into a lesson why one should always be nice to people? Had you not stiffed him, there is a very real probability he would have came into the airport to find you with your passport, or at the very least gave it to the information desk. |
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iwacima
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
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Can you read? My POINT is that he was expecting a return fare as most people wanting a taxi at the airport are going to Seoul. He also dropped me off on the arrival level and NOT the departure level.
I was also speaking to a Korean who just returned from the airport and he said that it is LEGAL for Seoul taxis to queue at the airport at POST 18. So the driver did try to rip me off by charging an inflated surcharge (10,000won) when he was expecting to find a fare back to Seoul. |
Queing up or not, once you leave the city you are expected to pay a surcharge. Particularly since he may have for an eternity to get someone who is heading into Seoul.
You cite the surcharge as being inflated, but it appears that others disagree. Plus you didn't even pay anything extra anyway, so it's a moot point. |
What should the surcharge be on a taxi from Seoul to Incheon Airport? NOBODY on the forum has provided an amount. If so, what was it? I feel a 10,000won surcharge on a 31,000won fare is too much considering he was expecting a return fare which would have been easy to get at 9:30am. And I didn't feel like offering him a lesser surcharge of 5,000won once he started swearing at me for refusing to give him 10,000won.
And I didn't become defensive about this whole thing until you stated that I stiffed the drive |
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