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The news doesn't seem to have depth now days.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:52 am    Post subject: The news doesn't seem to have depth now days. Reply with quote

Did anyone else get this news story. I found it by chance on the web, there was nothing about this occurance anywhere in my countries newspapers.

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Floggings And Riots In Saudi Arabia Tim Marshall
September 29, 2009 2:20 PM

Recommend post (4) Floggings yes, but riots? Riots in Saudi Arabia? What, you might ask, is that all about? And that's exactly what Saudi watchers are asking.

Last week, on National Day, hundreds of young Saudis converged on a mall in the eastern city of Khobar. Up to 20 shops and restaurants were attacked, cars and buses had their windows smashed and drivers were beaten. One eye witness said that some women in the family areas of restaurants were harassed. The riot police were called in,
dozens of arrests were made.


I try to read many news sources, but I still seem to miss many stories, unless I happen upon it by chance.

For all the news sources today, the news seems to be very shallow in information nowdays and also has appearances of biasness at times.

Does anyone else find this to be true?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What time in history are you comparing the present to, such that the news services you have availible to you aren't informative enough? How could any news service even possibly hope to present every single story you might find remotely of interest?

Most people don't care about riots in Saudi Arabia, so most major news networks aren't going to devote a lot of time to it, if any. That's how it should be. More specialized sources of news exist for people with particular interests.

Large news agencies behave exactly how one would expect them to behave: covering news that they feel has mass appeal. Smaller news agencies thrive by presenting more focused news. The system works fine.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding of newspapers in the past was that the journalists tried to simply present the information, not slant it or ignore it. This has changed recently as recent news articles have shown.

Though as I am speaking from my countries perspectives and not from yours we may have different experiences. Though I have watched fox news at times and some of thier writing or questions asked are slanted.

Though this probably has more to do with the corporatism of the news and its probably gone on longer in the states, so you may have nothing to compare it with. Or maybe you do.

In terms of actual depth, many articles recently seem to provide a veneer of information without actually seeming to provide any real information or depth. An example would be trying to get information from Afghanistan on the reasons why events appear to be happening, etc or exactly what happened.

CNN and Al Jazerah are two news sources that seem to present news that seems to be directed at a type of reader or viewer while calling themselves international. A good example would be the amount of information provided about Paris Hilton, while ignoring an international issue at the same time.

News seems to becoming dumbed down, now I can understand the argument that most people are idots and wouldn't understand the nuances and issues about an event, but if all you provide is dumbed down news then all you get is dumbed down people.

I just wish there was more depth to the information provided and that there wasn't 50 articles on one issue, when 40 would do just as well. This would provide room for other issues to be discussed.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
My understanding of newspapers in the past was that the journalists tried to simply present the information, not slant it or ignore it.


What news that you want to hear about so badly is being ignored? Sure, mainstream news sources might not cover everything, but their goal is to cater to the majority. I'm sure no matter your interests you can find smaller news sources which report on them, though.

Summer Wine wrote:
Though I have watched fox news at times and some of thier writing or questions asked are slanted.


That's because Fox News has an agenda. Everyone knows they have an agenda. They're clearly able to stay in business and do well for themselves despite -- and perhaps because of -- that agenda. So why on Earth should they be more objective? Objectivity bores people; if Fox News went 100% objective tomorrow, their ratings would drop like a rock.

Summer Wine wrote:
In terms of actual depth, many articles recently seem to provide a veneer of information without actually seeming to provide any real information or depth. An example would be trying to get information from Afghanistan on the reasons why events appear to be happening, etc or exactly what happened.


Most people aren't interested in that, so of course major news sources aren't going to be giving detailed play by plays. Look at smaller news sources on the internet, and you can probably find what you want.

Summer Wine wrote:
A good example would be the amount of information provided about Paris Hilton, while ignoring an international issue at the same time.


Again, that's because it's what their viewers want. If people shut off their TVs when they started talking about Paris Hilton, they'd stop talking about her. I find it as distasteful as you, but I don't expect the desires of the majority to be trumped by my own desires in the eyes of a for-profit business. Instead, I turn to news sources targetted at people with my interests.

Summer Wine wrote:
News seems to becoming dumbed down ...


No, it's not. There is more and more detailed news now availible than at any time in history. It just so happens that with that huge increase comes a sizeable amount of material that caters to people more interested in Paris Hiltion than Afghanistan. That doesn't mean there isn't news availible about Afghanistan, just that you're not going to see it on shows that clearly aren't targetted at your demographic anyway.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest problem with online media is the lack of sourcing. When I read an article about a person who said X during a speech I want to see a link to the entire speech. If it's translated from another language I want to see a link to both the translation the journalist is using and the original. My biggest peeve would be articles that give a sentence or two from a speech or discussion but leave the reader at a loss for where to find the rest of it to judge for themselves.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:

my countries perspectives


my country's. Not to be petty or anal, but you did it twice on this thread, so I had to comment.

In regards to your OP, the answer is no. At least not when it comes to print media. I DO think TV news, in the US at least, has definitely dumbed down. BBC news is much better than any of the American news channels. It is also interesting to compare CNN Intl. and CNN's american broadcast. The latter really is dull and is full of fluff. Totally understandable why CNN doesn't do as well in ratings as Fox does. While Fox is obviously slanted and isn't the most professional news service in the world, at least it is entertaining.
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to disagree. There is plenty of "depth" out there by commited journalists, both print, radio, TV and online. The problem is, you just have to know where to find it.

America in particular has the most diverse and indepth media coverage around. Lots of great sources. However, most people just reach for the most colorful box of cereal and that's where the problem starts.....

With all things and especially in a democracy - there is an individual responsibility to be informed. Without that, nothing works.... You can't legislate against "ease" unfortunately.

DD
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To those who responded, you made some good points.

I guess I am disappointed in the news, because while they might tell you a soldier died in Afghanistan. They seem to not provide more than that, as someone wrote in a comment I read.

What was the operation for?
What were the goals of it?
Was it a success?
Has it improved the situation?

It seems that they provide a slice and then leave out the rest. I agree with mithradise (?) in that it would be nice if they provided more links to where the info came from or how to discover it, even if it is online info.

I am starting to dislike soundbites on television. The speech was 2 hrs long and you provided 20 words from it. What else was said? where can I read a copy of it.

You are right, there are lots of little sources, but large news programs that target the world should be able to provide more details or where to find the information. Well thats just how I feel.
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel the same way about the news a lot of the time too. What exactly are they trying to achieve in Afghanistan besides killing a lot of people and destroying property? Or is that the aim? The only other thing they seem to have succeeded in doing is getting the Taliban out of Kabul, and that with no assurance that they won't be back.
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seonsengnimble



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need to give my old contacts my "new" gmail address. There are plenty of decent news sources out there. While there are tons of great news sources, mail.com is a terrible one. For some reason, stories like Kanye West's mother died and Hugh Jackman politely scolds an audience member for not turning off his/her phone are breaking news.

Anyways, I recommend reading news.bbc.co.uk or watching the daily show. New York Times is also good.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to try and read daily, NZherald, the Australian, Al Jazeera, BBC, and a number of different blogs focusing on different issues, and then I follow thier links.

I sometimes read Ha'Aretz for an Israeli view on an issue, or the Guardian for a British view on an issue and I sometimes read a arab newspaper to get a counter. I am trying to discover a few more new newpapers, and found Washington Post which seemed to provide some info.

I try to look at both sides of an argument as well as get the view from the conservative and liberal sides of an issue to try and get well rounded knowledge of an issue. Though its sometimes difficult as the same issue is presented in two completely different ways and its hard to tell which is more correct or is there a completely different way to view it.
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Palladium



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islam-Party like it's 1199!
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Islam-Party like it's 1199!


Sorry, don't quite understand the point that you are making.

I have found some other newspapers that cover information that is lacking in some of the earlier papers I have read. Though they do seem to not answer any hard questions. I also found this site which some people might find interesting for a different perspective on issues.

http://conflictsforum.org/[/quote]
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xingyiman



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The news doesn't have any depth nowadays because instead of reporting the news, anchors are constanlty injecting their own political slant into it. Seemingly when republicans do it on Fox news it's bad, but when democrats do it on other networks it's ok.
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proustme



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twitter further perpetuates the dumbing down of society, too.
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