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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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| Juregen wrote: |
I would call this an incorrect comparison between two data sets.
People who use internet as a learning tool are often self-motivated and don't need to be "coached".
In a brick-and-mortar setting, most students are NOT self-motivated.
Self-motivation in itself is the biggest variable here. Not the use of tools. |
I'd like to see the studies you used to make that statement. In fact, in the text "Educating The Net Generation" available free at www.educause.edu, writers continually referred to technology mediums (Internet, tv/vcr, point to mass radio) simply as tools to advance educational concepts. In no way did the surveys or text show that students felt any technology should or would replace the teacher/instructor/facilitator. In effect, without the guidance and direction of the teacher, motivation goes down.
That is why, in a previous post, I stated the recivitism rates of many online programs, but the caveat is that the more involvement the mentor has and the more collaboration that is used in activities, the lower the recivitism rates. You'll find many texts (gilly Salmon, Clarke, etc) which provide motivating activities for classroom and online use, and relatively, the findings of these researchers is that motivation comes from the instructor creating the motivation and the atmosphere to learn, intrinsic motivation on the part of the student goes only so far. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: |
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To prove the point: if anyone would like to undertake a distance learning course from an accredited and established U.K. university for free then PM me (the university may not be a top university but it's perfectly reputable). No lies, it's completely free. It is not a degree, but 2 modules from a B.A.(which can be credit transferred to their degree program). You even get a certificate acknowledging what you have studied. It's not from a Mickey Mouse degree either (though some wisecracks may think otherwise). It'll give all you naysayers a chance to experience accredited online learning for free (though it does have a waiting list at the moment so you'll have to wait a bit to undertake the course).
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link. I knew Harvard offered distance courses but I never realised how many. Even better they offer a course I was thinking of applying for at Harvard via distance learning which I didn't know. Excellent. |
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Craven Moorehead
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ThePoet wrote: |
| That is why, in a previous post, I stated the recivitism rates of many online programs, but the caveat is that the more involvement the mentor has and the more collaboration that is used in activities, the lower the recivitism rates. You'll find many texts (gilly Salmon, Clarke, etc) which provide motivating activities for classroom and online use, and relatively, the findings of these researchers is that motivation comes from the instructor creating the motivation and the atmosphere to learn, intrinsic motivation on the part of the student goes only so far. |
God, there is nothing more depressing than high rates of recivitism, especially in espousers of online education. |
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tacitus14
Joined: 10 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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...and it's the sheer ignorance of posters such as yourself that makes me wonder how on Earth people can live a life of such complete, close-minded views and opinionated points.
I guess degrees from Harvard have no credibility.
http://www.extension.harvard.edu/2009-10/programs/
You should really know the now and be informed before drawing such assinine conclusions.[/quote]
I love these debates. They are hilarious. My favorite: people who post websites and can't even read them.
Person 1: Where did you go to university?
Person 2: I went to Harvard.
Person 1: Whoa! That's really impressive.
Person 2: Yes, yes it is. I completed my "master's of liberal arts in extension studies"(!!!!!!!)
Person 1: Oh so you didn't go to Harvard at all. And your degree has no academic value. I understand now. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ThePoet wrote: |
That is a good point, however, if what you say is true, following that logic, which person would you rather have working for you? The person who graduated with an online degree who has proven himself/herself as a motivated self-starterwho is mature, or a person who graduated who is less mature and needs the hand-holding that is provided in an on-campus environment?
Ricivitism rates in online programs range out around 65 - 75% in distance bachelor's degrees (the higher the percentage, the less interpersonal contact is maintained between student and mentor/institute, and the lower the interactivity in assignments). So, yes, many manuy people drop out of online programs at the Bachelor level (the maturity factor?). However, those numbers reverse in people who, later on in life, begin a Master's degree and a doctorate degree. Drop-out rates lower since they see the prize at the end of the road, and are mature enough to persevere. I have to admit, I would never be going through my journey if I were younger.
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That's actually what I'm getting at, but I chose to say it in a more indirect way. However, it still may reflect the reality that more mature students are using the convenience of distance education to complete post graduate degrees. This is in contrast with younger students going directly to grad school after their undergraduate degrees or within a year or two. I'm sure most mature students would rather listen to lectures in real time and be able to engage with the professors and their classmates in animated and discursive conversations, but it just isn't practical. Therefore, it is just saying that mature students take their learning more seriously and have more to bring to the table whether they study via distance or on campus. No surprise there.
By the way: What is ricivitism? If you mean recidivism, it still doesn't make any sense. This isn't substance abuse--I hope! |
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makemehavefun
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| The Gipkik wrote: |
| By the way: What is ricivitism? If you mean recidivism, it still doesn't make any sense. This isn't substance abuse--I hope! |
Makes sense to me... plenty of offenders who have to be "reinstitutionalized" a few times before we "learn our lessons" and reintegrate back into society.  |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Hmmmm, sorry, I thought recivitism meant drop-out rates. That was how I interpreted it. The Mieriam Webster online dictionary defines it as a falling back into past behaviours and then further says usually into criminal behaviours, but I hadf always thought it meant to fall back away from higher learning. So, there's my lesson; use "drop-out rates" from now on.
And I had mis-typed it to boot! Recividism.
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