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juchangok
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 Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: How likely to get denied because I'm Korean-American? |
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I know this has been discussed before, but I can't seem to find the thread. I am Korean American, and I guess you could say I look pretty "Korean". How likely is it that I will get denied because of this? I hear too many things about how they will deny your application because of this. Also the person I applied through is Rowan from ESL-Planet, which I hear good things about.
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lifeinkorea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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You are more of a "flight risk" cause you can leave after 3 months I understand. As long as you show interest in working the full contract year, the "real" Koreans will be more willing to hire you.
I am not Korean American, and I am always asked by recruiters (not the schools) why I only worked at hagwons for a few months and didn't finish 1 year. |
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cruisemonkey
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| lifeinkorea wrote: |
| You are more of a "flight risk" cause you can leave after 3 months... |
Huh... as a non-gyopo, I cant?
OP,
It depends on -
to which positions you apply.
Most hogwan owners will discriminate against you based on a business decision i.e. the fact your 'Asian face' is not a big draw when advertising the fact a foreigner works here. On the other hand, if you're fluently bi-lingual, he/she may specifically want to hire a gyopo to control the foreigners... most of these positions are not well paid and come with double cultural 'baggage' - you'll find yourself stammering "... but, but I'm not Korean."
Most public schools don't care about your ethnicity. |
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juchangok
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Well I believe I'm applying for a Public School? |
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cruisemonkey
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| juchangok wrote: |
| Well I believe I'm applying for a Public School? |
And...? |
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juchangok
Joined: 15 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Ahh forgive me. I did not read the last sentence of your post regarding public schools. |
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lifeinkorea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Huh... as a non-gyopo, I cant? |
If you or I left, it would be for good. We could try to get new paperwork and try to convince immigration to let us in, but the general rule of thumb I have heard is you need a letter of release.
If you can get an SMOE job, and then just walk out after 3 months to another school as easily as a gyopo then I don't know how you can. I have heard right from the horse's mouth that after 3 months they could walk away and get hired elsewhere. They can even do work in other fields more easily. One in fact said he wanted to come back to Korea to possibly start his own hagwon.
I don't know how easy that is for a gyopo, but I assume it is a lot easier. For one, you don't have to be married or put in as many years in this country to get the status. You already have it.
If you aren't a gyopo, you are more likely slaving away racking up the years or married to a Korean. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| lifeinkorea wrote: |
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| Huh... as a non-gyopo, I cant? |
If you or I left, it would be for good. We could try to get new paperwork and try to convince immigration to let us in, but the general rule of thumb I have heard is you need a letter of release. |
Anyone can 'walk' at any time.. and come back on a new visa if they have their existing visa cancelled on the way out (expensive and time-consuming, but no 'convincing' of Immi needed). A LoR is only needed to transfer sponsorship of an existing visa to a new employer.
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| If you can get an SMOE job, and then just walk out after 3 months to another school as easily as a gyopo then I don't know how you can. |
You can't assume the visa status of the OP. I see no evidence as to whether the OP will be in K-land on an E-series or an F-series visa.
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| If you aren't a gyopo, you are more likely slaving away racking up the years or married to a Korean. |
Hmmm... I'm not gyopo... but I'm certainly not "slaving" and neither am I going to marry Miss Park.  |
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nomad-ish
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| juchangok wrote: |
| Well I believe I'm applying for a Public School? |
i wouldn't worry about it; i know lots of korean americans/canadians here (mostly teaching in the public school system). |
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crsandus
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Some public schools even prefer Korean Americans or gyopos in general. My school wanted a Korean American female and I know a friend's school wanted a Korean American female also. I guess they heard the horror stories about some native teachers and wanted people who would assimilate easier. So you shouldn't worry too much about being Korean American when applying to public schools. |
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juchangok
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| crsandus wrote: |
| Some public schools even prefer Korean Americans or gyopos in general. My school wanted a Korean American female and I know a friend's school wanted a Korean American female also. I guess they heard the horror stories about some native teachers and wanted people who would assimilate easier. So you shouldn't worry too much about being Korean American when applying to public schools. |
Well I'm a guy so this would be bad for me lol. |
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: How likely to get denied because I'm Korean-American? |
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| juchangok wrote: |
I know this has been discussed before, but I can't seem to find the thread. I am Korean American, and I guess you could say I look pretty "Korean". How likely is it that I will get denied because of this? I hear too many things about how they will deny your application because of this. Also the person I applied through is Rowan from ESL-Planet, which I hear good things about.
Jason |
I give you a 62.473% chance of being denied depending on a variety of factors. |
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youtuber
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: How likely to get denied because I'm Korean-American? |
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| juchangok wrote: |
I know this has been discussed before, but I can't seem to find the thread. I am Korean American, and I guess you could say I look pretty "Korean". How likely is it that I will get denied because of this? I hear too many things about how they will deny your application because of this. Also the person I applied through is Rowan from ESL-Planet, which I hear good things about.
Jason |
As a generalization:
You are not as "marketable" as a white person. So you will be treated accordingly. If you can speak Korean, you will be asked to lie to the kids and say you cannot. Your school may refuse to put your Korean surname on their website.
However, CDI seems to hire many gyopos. But they are kinda sketchy with things like health insurance and pension. |
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