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peemil
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chris_J2
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: Abroad |
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| Living abroad means living overseas. Canada and America are not overseas from each other. Therefore an American living in Canada cannot be considered living abroad. |
Disagree.
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from abroad
from a foreign land or lands
a.outside one's own country; to or in foreign countries |
http://www.yourdictionary.com/abroad
Therefore, an American living in Canada is abroad.
An Italian living in France is abroad. Someone from Moscow living in Guangzhou, China, is abroad. There doesn't have to be a divisive body of water between 2 countries, for the 'abroad' to qualify. |
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Countrygirl
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
Location: in the classroom
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I've always considered abroad to be over water for some reason. And when I googled it I got this...
# to or in a foreign country; "they had never travelled abroad"
# overseas: in a place across an ocean
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
And while I would consider Mexico to be a foreign country, I would never label the U.S. to be a foreign country. If I went on holiday to the U.S. I would be laughed out of house and home if I said I went "abroad" for vacation. We would say "I went to the States".
Could this be an American/Canadian difference? |
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chris_J2
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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I flew from Calgary to Denver last year, & in both instances, I was abroad.
The 2 terms 'overseas' & 'abroad', are not mutually exclusive of one another.
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Definitions of abroad on the Web:
to or in a foreign country; "they had never travelled abroad"
afield: far away from home or one's usual surroundings; "looking afield for new lands to conquer"- R.A.Hall
overseas: in a place across an ocean
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
At large; widely; broadly; over a wide space; Without a certain confine; outside the house; away from one's abode; Beyond the bounds of a country; in foreign countries; Before the public at large; throughout society or the world; here and there; widely
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Abroad |
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Carla
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:48 am Post subject: Re: So I am not staying ABROAD? |
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| Another point, you're friend seems a little racist... all asians are the same? Koreans are the same as Chinese? |
That wouldn't be racism. Good god that word is overused. |
Yes, I agree that the word is overused, by why doesn't it apply here? Saying Chinese aren't abroad in Korea is like saying an African-American isn't abroad when they are in Nigeria. Just because the color/shade/etc. is similar doesn't mean they are the same people. |
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peppermint
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Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:34 am Post subject: |
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I guess I've always considered abroad to be over water for some reason.
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By that logic, are Hawaiians travelling abroad when they go to California? |
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shapeshifter
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Location: Paris
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:26 am Post subject: Re: So I am not staying ABROAD? |
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So 5 min ago, I was talking to an American friend online.
We exchanged greetings and he asked me how I had been.
I said: sometimes life is stressful, but I have to learn being a strong woman while living abroad.
He then pointed out I was not abroad because I am Asian.
And further made an example saying that he lived in Atlanta, if he lived in other states, it was not "abroad" because he still lived in the U.S
Then I said: but Korea is not my country, what about if you lived in Canada?
He said: then that is abroad, because it is not the U.S
I was just so confused.
He added: because Canada and America are not continents
I said: so are not Korea and China
He said: but they have a continent which is ASIA
we don't have a continent
we have city and states
Korea nor any other part of Asia has states
Asia is divided by countries, where as the US is divided by states.
I am just so confused~ 
Can anyone explain this to me? |
I am sorry to say this, but your friend is not being 100% logical in his reasoning. Most people define living abroad as living outside the country where you were born or have citizenship.
Continents have nothing to do with it. Even if continents were relevant to the discussion, there is the North American Continent which comprises Canada, the USA, and Mexico.
Now, to go deeper into what he was probably thinking, he seems to think that Asian countries do not have political subunits. Of course, this is silly a thing to assume. He is probably just thinking this because in most other places, the political subunits are not usually called states. Instead, they are given the equivalent names such as provinces or prefectures. |
Your friend is an idiot. No need for any further analysis. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: |
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When I flew into San Fran, I went to the bank to exchange money. She asked me if I was Korean and if I was visiting family.
I am white, with hazel eyes and brown hair. I looked her dead in the eyes and said "yes." |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: So I am not staying ABROAD? |
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| shapeshifter wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| Panda wrote: |
So 5 min ago, I was talking to an American friend online.
We exchanged greetings and he asked me how I had been.
I said: sometimes life is stressful, but I have to learn being a strong woman while living abroad.
He then pointed out I was not abroad because I am Asian.
And further made an example saying that he lived in Atlanta, if he lived in other states, it was not "abroad" because he still lived in the U.S
Then I said: but Korea is not my country, what about if you lived in Canada?
He said: then that is abroad, because it is not the U.S
I was just so confused.
He added: because Canada and America are not continents
I said: so are not Korea and China
He said: but they have a continent which is ASIA
we don't have a continent
we have city and states
Korea nor any other part of Asia has states
Asia is divided by countries, where as the US is divided by states.
I am just so confused~
Can anyone explain this to me? |
I am sorry to say this, but your friend is not being 100% logical in his reasoning. Most people define living abroad as living outside the country where you were born or have citizenship.
Continents have nothing to do with it. Even if continents were relevant to the discussion, there is the North American Continent which comprises Canada, the USA, and Mexico.
Now, to go deeper into what he was probably thinking, he seems to think that Asian countries do not have political subunits. Of course, this is silly a thing to assume. He is probably just thinking this because in most other places, the political subunits are not usually called states. Instead, they are given the equivalent names such as provinces or prefectures. |
Your friend is an idiot. No need for any further analysis. |
Well, generally speaking, telling someone that their friend is an idiot, is considered impolite. Hence, a more measured response was called for. Also, I don't suppose that you have heard of the saying, "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: So I am not staying ABROAD? |
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| Carla wrote: |
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| Another point, you're friend seems a little racist... all asians are the same? Koreans are the same as Chinese? |
That wouldn't be racism. Good god that word is overused. |
Yes, I agree that the word is overused, by why doesn't it apply here? Saying Chinese aren't abroad in Korea is like saying an African-American isn't abroad when they are in Nigeria. Just because the color/shade/etc. is similar doesn't mean they are the same people. |
That wouldn't be racism. The abuse of language is very annoying. |
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Countrygirl
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I've always considered abroad to be over water for some reason.
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By that logic, are Hawaiians travelling abroad when they go to California? |
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Countrygirl
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
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I guess I've always considered abroad to be over water for some reason.
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By that logic, are Hawaiians travelling abroad when they go to California? |
Is California a foreign country to Hawaiians?
I just don't get American thinking sometimes. |
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| Tell your friend that what he said sounds like something abroad would say! |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Countrygirl wrote: |
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I guess I've always considered abroad to be over water for some reason.
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By that logic, are Hawaiians travelling abroad when they go to California? |
Is California a foreign country to Hawaiians?
I just don't get American thinking sometimes. |
I'm not American, and I thought the same thing, reading your last post- equating being abroad with travelling over water is utterly nonsensical to me, but then I grew up on an island  |
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Countrygirl
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I've always considered abroad to be over water for some reason.
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By that logic, are Hawaiians travelling abroad when they go to California? |
Is California a foreign country to Hawaiians?
I just don't get American thinking sometimes. |
I'm not American, and I thought the same thing, reading your last post- equating being abroad with travelling over water is utterly nonsensical to me, but then I grew up on an island |
Sorry, I should have said over a large body of water like the sea or ocean and to a foreign country. I was responding to Chrie_j2 who said that a Frenchman would be considered abroad if he went to Italy. As a Canadian, I wouldn't even consider Mexico to be abroad if I went from Canada to Mexico.
Dictionary.com seems to say that both going to another foreign country or another continent is considered abroad.
*1. in or to a foreign country or countries: famous at home and abroad.
*2. in or to another continent: Shall we go to Mexico or abroad this summer?
3. out of doors; from one place to another; about: No one was abroad in the noonday heat. The owl ventures abroad at night.
4. spread around; in circulation: Rumors of disaster are abroad.
5. broadly; widely; far and wide.
6. wide of the mark; in error. |
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