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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| ratslash wrote: |
maybe the school will get jealous and report you. i've never actually heard of immigration knocking on the front door of an apartment where you are teaching the private. most people get caught when immigration are tipped off. some say the main people to tip off illegal workers are disgruntled ex-boy/girlfriends!!!
probably better in the future to avoid obtaining privates through your school. all it needs is u to fall out with the school and a quick fone call to immigration and, well, bye-bye korea.
usual going rate for a private at the moment is about 30,000won. |
schools don't report their own teachers.
If you want to cool things down take two weeks off.
Get a cell phone and tell them to contact you that way.
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| illegal to teach privates unless you have immigration approval |
you can't get such approval from the office of residence control.
I don't know why so many are knocking the guy for doing privates for all we know he might have a sick mom or something. |
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kangnamdragon

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
I don't know why so many are knocking the guy for doing privates for all we know he might have a sick mom or something. |
That's a good argument for illegal activity? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:35 am Post subject: |
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The system in Korea is so screwed up that privates are a way to balance things out.
Often it is a bad deal if you are not doing privates , furthermore
Privates factor into your salary no matter what because if they weren't there or the govt cracked down hard like they did in 1998 most teachers would leave. Then all salaries would go up. There are many more teachers in Korea because of this. Do them or not they effect your salary.
almost no one would work for the big schools under the standard condtions that they offer if it were not for the E-2 system that restricts the market.
If a Korean wants to learn English they have to go to a hogwon under the Korean system. If Business wants English lessons in the morning they have to go through a hogwon and pay through the nose to do it. Much more then if they hired a teacher directly.
If one were to teach 4 kids at 50 an hour it would probably be cheaper (factor in transportation) for a family then it would for them to go to a hogwon.
Doing privates balances the system- there iis nothing wrong with refusing to go along with the hogwon cartel.
It is the hogwon way or no way in South Korea. I guess there are a few company jobs but not that many and anyway on a per hour basis they pay far less than if you did it by the hour for a company.
The whole E-2 system keeps wages below the market rate for teachers forces people to pay excessively high fees to hogwons for private or company lessons.
2 wrongs don�t always make a right but sometimes they do. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Go ahead and flame me all you want, send me hate e-mails, I don't care, but don't think for one minute that I am goody goody two shoes cause I am not; but I hope you get caught, fined and deported. This is not your country, you're a guest. You know the law and you know it's illegal to teach privates unless you have immigration approval. Just because everyone else seems to do it does not make it right. I know hundreds of teachers who would not even give a second thought to teaching privates due to the potential problems not to mention that it's illegal.
Gesh, this is NOT your country! Is it so difficult for you to follow a simple law!? But then you probably don't follow simple laws in your own country.
Yeah, I'm getting on your case. Don't like it, tough. Let the responses begin. |
I think kimcheeking wants to hug you and kiss you right now.
Sparkles*_* |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
The system in Korea is so screwed up that privates are a way to balance things out.
Often it is a bad deal if you are not doing privates , furthermore
Privates factor into your salary no matter what because if they weren't there or the govt cracked down hard like they did in 1998 most teachers would leave. Then all salaries would go up. There are many more teachers in Korea because of this. Do them or not they effect your salary.
almost no one would work for the big schools under the standard condtions that they offer if it were not for the E-2 system that restricts the market.
If a Korean wants to learn English they have to go to a hogwon under the Korean system. If Business wants English lessons in the morning they have to go through a hogwon and pay through the nose to do it. Much more then if they hired a teacher directly.
If one were to teach 4 kids at 50 an hour it would probably be cheaper (factor in transportation) for a family then it would for them to go to a hogwon.
Doing privates balances the system- there iis nothing wrong with refusing to go along with the hogwon cartel.
It is the hogwon way or no way in South Korea. I guess there are a few company jobs but not that many and anyway on a per hour basis they pay far less than if you did it by the hour for a company.
The whole E-2 system keeps wages below the market rate for teachers forces people to pay excessively high fees to hogwons for private or company lessons.
2 wrongs don�t always make a right but sometimes they do. |
This man is smart. This man knows a thing or two.
Sparkles*_* |
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genaureliano

Joined: 04 Jan 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:09 am Post subject: |
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That's a good argument for illegal activity? |
Yeah, why not. Desperate times call for desperate measures. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
The system in Korea is so screwed up that privates are a way to balance things out.
Often it is a bad deal if you are not doing privates , furthermore
Privates factor into your salary no matter what because if they weren't there or the govt cracked down hard like they did in 1998 most teachers would leave. Then all salaries would go up. There are many more teachers in Korea because of this. Do them or not they effect your salary.
almost no one would work for the big schools under the standard condtions that they offer if it were not for the E-2 system that restricts the market.
If a Korean wants to learn English they have to go to a hogwon under the Korean system. If Business wants English lessons in the morning they have to go through a hogwon and pay through the nose to do it. Much more then if they hired a teacher directly.
If one were to teach 4 kids at 50 an hour it would probably be cheaper (factor in transportation) for a family then it would for them to go to a hogwon.
Doing privates balances the system- there iis nothing wrong with refusing to go along with the hogwon cartel.
It is the hogwon way or no way in South Korea. I guess there are a few company jobs but not that many and anyway on a per hour basis they pay far less than if you did it by the hour for a company.
The whole E-2 system keeps wages below the market rate for teachers forces people to pay excessively high fees to hogwons for private or company lessons.
2 wrongs don�t always make a right but sometimes they do. |
This man is smart. This man knows a thing or two.
Sparkles*_* |
How do you figure? He's wrong. He says that privates are cheaper than going to a hakwon. This is incorrect. Teaching a child for 50,000 (his figure) once a week is 200,000 a month or so. Going to a hakwon varies (but in my experience) it costs about 100,000-150,000 won a month. There may be hakwons that charge more, but those tend to be the more reputable and actually have some standards (though not all of them arethese way).
If you want more money why not get a second job? Your first boss will be happy (if you give him a cut), your second boss will be happy because he has a native speaker, and you will be happy because you're making more money. It is possible, but most native speakers get used to working 30 or less hours a week and then whine about how they are not paid more. If you want more, work more. It is a simple concept. Factor in the time spend traveling to privates and you probably spend as much time as you would at a second job anyway. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
[schools don't report their own teachers.
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So schools don't report competition? Teachers have posted stories on this board before of being turned in, or blackmailed by their school. Why would schools turn a blind eye to losing money? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:55 am Post subject: |
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a group of 4 kids at 50 an hour. 12,500 won per kid
From what I have seen most schools wont turn in their own teachers - because then they will have to pay 500,000 - 1,200,000 or even more for a new teacher
many of the big schools are charges 10,-13,000 won for each hour the kid is at the school and their are 13 kids in each class. Call SLP Islan you' ll see. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| I don't do privates but am not averse to the idea. I say make the cash while you can! I suppose if you manage to make 400,000 plus per month it is worth the risk. Hopefully ya don't get caught. But if ya do, hopefully ya got a nice bit of cash tucked away for the next venture. |
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sadsac
Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Gwangwang
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Each and every individual can choose to do privates or choose not to do privates. Personally I don't, but why harangue someone who does. Ethics, morality, legality are all moot if you choose to do privates. Remember there may be a less than palatable consequence if you are caught. In regard to the OP, if you feel there is any level of threat or possibility of you being caught, walk away and take some time off.  |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
a group of 4 kids at 50 an hour. 12,500 won per kid
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Anyone who'd do privates for 12,500 per kid seems pretty dumb. If I were doing privates I'd rather have 4 lessons (one on one) and charge 50 for each kid. If you are going to do something illegal, at least make it worth your while if you are caught. Rob a bank, not a corner store. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
a group of 4 kids at 50 an hour. 12,500 won per kid
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Anyone who'd do privates for 12,500 per kid seems pretty dumb. If I were doing privates I'd rather have 4 lessons (one on one) and charge 50 for each kid. If you are going to do something illegal, at least make it worth your while if you are caught. Rob a bank, not a corner store. |
A group of 4 kids at 50 and hour isn't bad at all. |
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happy
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| That sounds risky if it's not permitted by your school |
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chrisbem1
Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Location: south korea
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Not sure where you live, but privates here are not all that hard to come by. Tell your privates that you can lose your job/visa/legal status to stay in Korea if your hogwon or immigration finds out that you are teaching private lessons on the side. If they continue to call, tell them you can't take the risk, but will hook them up with another teacher. That way they aren't angry, and the new teacher can make sure they only have a cell number. You can always find other privates, like I said they aren't that hard to come by. |
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