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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
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Smoking is worse than alcohol, if you choose to do it then thats fair enough, but other people shouldnt have to be subjected to it too.
Its absolutely disgusting, and in no way "cool"  |
You do realise every one of these types of posts makes us smokers want to go out into the parking lot, tear the butt off of a Malborough Red and chain smoke it until our heads are dizzy and our lungs ache sweetly...?
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| scotty12347 wrote: |
Smoking is worse than alcohol, if you choose to do it then thats fair enough, but other people shouldnt have to be subjected to it too.
Its absolutely disgusting, and in no way "cool" |
So what is cool? A bunch of 20 something hipster, 'urban' kids doing some Truth anti-smoking ad? Everytime I see one of those I go out and light up a nice smoke.
Smoking's not cool. What's next? Save the whales? Way to go rebel.
I only tell people its cool because those questions of "Why do you smoke?" deserve replies such as those. Then I get to laugh at the person as they whine "But it's not cool"
The line that 'smoking is not cool' was drummed so much into our heads as kids by the tobacconistas that its great to tell them that their propaganda failed.
Besides is there anything sexier than your girl in the passenger seat, unbuckled, in sandals, feet up on the dash, wearing a tank top and jeans and sunglasses, and enjoying a smoke while giving you that flirty smile?
Smoking cigs is a great indicator of personality type. It's a flag to let the rest of the world that you aren't dominated by health-fear and PCness.
I've already gone over the 'subjected' point (what over-dramatic language, someone needs to step out and have a smoke) by saying that people subjected me to their car exhaust, or industrial run-off, or pesticides, or cow methane, and I don't give a crap. All of that stuff is just as bad or worse than cigs. Smoking bans are just a way for irrational human beings to lash out at other people in order to make themselves feel better by telling someone what to do. They are instituted by people who don't understand the concept that with life their comes certain crap you have to put up with.
Define childlike- Believing we should enact a law to ban smoking in places where people voluntarily enter in order to consume large quantities of fried food and beer. "I should be able to enjoy my 3/4 lb. burger in smoke-free bliss. This is my restaurant more than it is theirs."
How hard is this idea- If you don't want to deal with smoke, don't eat there. Otherwise wear one of those surgeon masks like the Asians.
I understand that smoking stinks, I don't smoke inside my apartment, and I do want to quit one day. But jeez, half the reason I'm still at it is a passive-aggressive finger to the tobacconazis.
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scotty12347
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
| scotty12347 wrote: |
Smoking is worse than alcohol, if you choose to do it then thats fair enough, but other people shouldnt have to be subjected to it too.
Its absolutely disgusting, and in no way "cool" |
You do realise every one of these types of posts makes us smokers want to go out into the parking lot, tear the butt off of a Malborough Red and chain smoke it until our heads are dizzy and our lungs ache sweetly...?
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I do now! Whatever does it for you i suppose... |
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scotty12347
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| scotty12347 wrote: |
Smoking is worse than alcohol, if you choose to do it then thats fair enough, but other people shouldnt have to be subjected to it too.
Its absolutely disgusting, and in no way "cool" |
So what is cool? A bunch of 20 something hipster, 'urban' kids doing some Truth anti-smoking ad? Everytime I see one of those I go out and light up a nice smoke.
I havent got a clue what ads your on about, but no, that doesnt sound particularly cool, but whats cool to someone isnt necessarily cool to someone else. To me, i just cant see how people can think setting something on fire and inhaling the smoke from it as cool in any way.
Smoking's not cool. What's next? Save the whales? Way to go rebel.
How is not liking smoking being a rebel!?
I understand that smoking stinks, I don't smoke inside my apartment, and I do want to quit one day. But jeez, half the reason I'm still at it is a passive-aggressive finger to the tobacconazis.
Surely this bit says that its you that thinks they're the rebel?
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I havent been here long, but judging from your other posts in this thread aswell, im beginning to think im being trolled?[/b] |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| scotty12347 wrote: |
Smoking is worse than alcohol, if you choose to do it then thats fair enough, but other people shouldnt have to be subjected to it too.
Its absolutely disgusting, and in no way "cool" |
So what is cool? A bunch of 20 something hipster, 'urban' kids doing some Truth anti-smoking ad? Everytime I see one of those I go out and light up a nice smoke.
I havent got a clue what ads your on about, but no, that doesnt sound particularly cool, but whats cool to someone isnt necessarily cool to someone else. To me, i just cant see how people can think setting something on fire and inhaling the smoke from it as cool in any way.
Smoking's not cool. What's next? Save the whales? Way to go rebel.
How is not liking smoking being a rebel!?
I understand that smoking stinks, I don't smoke inside my apartment, and I do want to quit one day. But jeez, half the reason I'm still at it is a passive-aggressive finger to the tobacconazis.
Surely this bit says that its you that thinks they're the rebel?
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I havent been here long, but judging from your other posts in this thread aswell, im beginning to think im being trolled?[/b] |
Nah, he's just a hardcore smoker.
Hardcore smokers will defend their habbit more strongly than their own childeren usually.
I'm not kidding, how many parents do you know of who smoke in the car, windows closed, smoked when pregnant and around new born babies etc.... |
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namu_nim
Joined: 22 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| one day i stopped smoking, so now I don't. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| one day i stopped smoking, so now I don't. |
Cool.
I'll stop the day it feels like it's just doing too much harm.
I'm down to mostly smoking only when drunk or 2 or 3 a day sober and never during working hours. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I havent got a clue what ads your on about, but no, that doesnt sound particularly cool, but whats cool to someone isnt necessarily cool to someone else. To me, i just cant see how people can think setting something on fire and inhaling the smoke from it as cool in any way. |
The 'Truth' Campaign was a series of ads put out by the anti-smoking propaganda crew that had all these 20 something hip kids, the kind of kids that grew up in suburbia or the city and listened to 'eclectic' music spend 5 days a week in a coffee shop and minor in pottery...well it had them running around doing these social awareness stunts like laying out body bags and saying "this is how many people the tobacco companies killed today." Inane crap like that.
Of course these all seemed so artificial and staged and phony-casted that it was just stupid. Sorry folks but if you want to tell me about smokings dangers put some doctor on TV showing me data and medical information, not a bunch of loud, "I'm 21 in college and a rebel" hipsters. Especially while railing against the tobacco companies 'propaganda'. Ooo they have young, attractive young people who listen to hip music telling me that smoking is bad- I should listen!
It's a step away from the anti-drug ads- "If you smoke pot your life will be ruined" fear mongering.
As for setting something on fire (often cool see-explosives and fireworks and bonfires) combine that with physiological
effects- also cool and yeah...there you go.
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As DWAEJI put it, nah I'm just a man that likes my smokes and will argue without rhyme or reason to it.
Actually I hate the fact that I smoke. But the second people start preaching about how smoking should be banned and smokers are moronic jerks all of that hatred gets replaced with pride. |
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scotty12347
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Actually I hate the fact that I smoke. But the second people start preaching about how smoking should be banned and smokers are moronic jerks all of that hatred gets replaced with pride. |
Like i said, i've no problem with you or anyone else smoking/doing whatever you want to your own body, people should be able to make their own choices. But if a smoker forces second hand smoke upon other people thats where it seems wrong to me. |
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Old Gil
Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
It's a step away from the anti-drug ads- "If you smoke pot your life will be ruined" fear mongering.
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No, it's not. It's pointing out facts. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| But if a smoker forces second hand smoke upon other people thats where it seems wrong to me. |
What constitutes force? |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with non smokers rights to not be subjected to second hand smoke very strongly and even in smoking establishments here in Korea, I'll ask non smoking company if they mind if I smoke.
Steelrails - I've worked in a hsopital and have been on the wards where those with smoking related illnesses end their days. I'm telling you right now, it would scare the _______ out of you. Grown men, once strong and capable unable to breathe without aid, go to the bathroom, walk etc, completely emaciated and demasculinised.... coughing fits that leave them weeping and wracked in utter agony... It is this that got me to cut down a lot and be an occaisional smoker and determined that I'll quit at the first signs of any major physicall problems....
Something like over 70% of life long smokers will end their days in such places and such physical conditions....
If they showed serious stuff like that for their anti smoking campaigns - the actual suffering and misery instead of the patronising, sensationalist shock tactics they employ these days - I bet it would make a lot more smokers at least cut down if not quit.... If they could see where it will all lead to.... |
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scotty12347
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| But if a smoker forces second hand smoke upon other people thats where it seems wrong to me. |
What constitutes force? |
hmm, force was the wrong word to use i guess.
Say for example you was a non-smoker at a meal with a group of friends of 4 friends, 2 wanted to smoke a cigarette, and the other 2 didnt want the smoke. The non smokers could leave, but that seems unreasonable, if the 2 smokers were to actually smoke i would call that "forced second hand smoke" although technically i know nobody was forced. |
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rt
Joined: 27 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| EVERYBODY eventually "quits"; its just that smokers "quit" sooner than non smokers! |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| Old Gil wrote: |
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It's a step away from the anti-drug ads- "If you smoke pot your life will be ruined" fear mongering.
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No, it's not. It's pointing out facts. |
Barry O'bama and Michael Phelps seem to be doing quite alright. But I get where you're coming from, there is truth to it underneath all of the fuss and feathers.
DWAEJI- In all seriousness I do agree with everything you posted, I always remove myself as well. I know its a ticking time-bomb. However, like you said, if people would drop the attitude a lot more people would be open to quitting.
Like I said I do want to quit, and soon.
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