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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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So a majority white nation elects a "black" president and it's a historic first that should be applauded, but a historically majority black college decides on a white homecoming queen and we see condemnation from the students?
I'm sorry, but in current, modern American, black people are far more racist than whites on the whole. Whites have largely been shamed into fighting or hiding any racist tendencies they have, but it remains perfectly socially acceptable for blacks to behave in a racist fashion, so they do. |
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thurst
Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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considering there's a very large (in numbers, not necessarily percentage) group of white americans that think obama is a muslim, "reverse-racist", not born in america or just illegitimate in general it's safe to say that white and black americans are much more likely to be equally racist.
and at the end of the day nobody protested or booed her so it's likely just a few people, many of whom don't even go to hampton that are getting upset. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Black spring break? I've never heard of that. Do you mean the cities that put on events for AA students? |
Not sure if they are still doing it, but they held it twice in MS, and they didn't like it the second year so I think the third was going to be held in Florida or something. The traffic congestion, fights, etc the first year was horrible. Why pick a place like MS which is not set up for that kind of temporary population is idiotic. Most of the tourism is based on casino travelers who go to the casinos and beaches and then leave. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Nowon-gu
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Whites have largely been shamed into fighting or hiding any racist tendencies they have, but it remains perfectly socially acceptable for blacks to behave in a racist fashion, so they do. |
Why shouldn't people, regardless of race, be shamed for their racist views?
| Fox wrote: |
| I'm sorry, but in current, modern American, black people are far more racist than whites on the whole. |
Honestly, where's the evidence for this claim? |
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Bog Roll
Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Carla wrote: |
same thing with beauty contests, you have miss black america, miss asian america, miss latin america... but no miss white america
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Aren't you a total genius!
Why do you think historically, the need for a miss black America existed?
and why do you think historically - there was absolutley no need for a 'miss white America' to exist?
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| People need to wake up and realize that race is not important, but the person is. |
I always find it cute when some ignorant person says this because even though I have never met Carla I'll bet a million dollars she is white.
You would say that wouldn't you - it doesn't matter what part of the world you go to - there is a version of a eurocentric culture and language and it doesn't matter what continent you land on - some part of it (or every part of it in a lot of cases) has been ruled by a white male.
So why would YOU get bent out of shape about colour issues? (that still exist)  |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| proustme wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Whites have largely been shamed into fighting or hiding any racist tendencies they have, but it remains perfectly socially acceptable for blacks to behave in a racist fashion, so they do. |
Why shouldn't people, regardless of race, be shamed for their racist views? |
I didn't say they shouldn't be. I simply said that white people are shamed for their racist views, while black people often receive a pass. If whites were complaining about a black homecoming queen, there would be outrage. Blacks complaining of a white homecoming queen? The response is pretty meh.
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| Fox wrote: |
| I'm sorry, but in current, modern American, black people are far more racist than whites on the whole. |
Honestly, where's the evidence for this claim? |
Take a start by looking at black voting patterns in the last presidential election, and more particularly, in the democratic primaries. Yeah, maybe 90% of blacks simply agreed with Obama's platform over Clinton's. Maybe.
You can move on from there. |
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Nowon-gu
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Voting patterns don't indicate racism. Whites who preferred different policies, voting for McCain, are not racists, either. If Obama or McCain had promulgated a racist platform, then the label of racism would apply. By your previous admission, racism doesn't victimize or harm anyone. So why the concern?
Blacks haven't been given a pass for their racism. Everyone is called out for racism, as they well should be. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| proustme wrote: |
| Voting patterns don't indicate racism. |
So a comparatively even breakdown of whites in the democratic primaries of most states vs a totally uneven breakdown of blacks doesn't imply racism? I'm sorry, that's utterly ridiculous; nothing about Obama's platform as compared to Clinton's justifies such an overwhelming majority of blacks voting for him in the primary. Only skin color does.
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| Whites who preferred different policies, voting for McCain, are not racists, either. |
That's obviously different. In Obama vs McCain, there were substantial policy differences. In Obama vs Clinton, there were trivial policy differences; nothing substantial enough to justify the immensely lopsided black vote.
It's clear as day for anyone that wants to see what happened here. Rationalize and justify all you like, it doesn't impact reality.
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| By your previous admission, racism doesn't victimize or harm anyone. So why the concern? |
If you actually read and understood my post, you'd understand it was hypocritical double standards rather than racism in and of itself that I was addressing. Like many people who disagree with someone on a knee-jerk reaction, you're going off on a tangent.
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| Blacks haven't been given a pass for their racism. Everyone is called out for racism, as they well should be. |
You're very wrong. You're so wrong, in fact, that I have a hard time articulating it. When you try to say that nearly 9 in 10 blacks voting Obama over Clinton in the primaries has nothing to do with racism, you're demonstrating a disconnect with reality. |
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Nowon-gu
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Blacks who voted for Clinton or McCain were not self-hating reverse racists. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| proustme wrote: |
| Blacks who voted for Clinton or McCain were not self-hating reverse racists. |
Of course Blacks who voted for Clinton or McCain aren't necessarily self-hating reverse racists. Nothing I said demands that racism be the only motivating factor behind a vote. But, even an idiot can see that when the black population votes for a black candidate over a white candidate at a rate of nearly 9 in 10, despite the two candidates having very similar platforms, that race is a strong motivating factor.
If 9 in 10 whites had voted for Clinton over Obama, racism would have been screamed about. Hell, when Clinton beat Obama in West Virginia by a large margin, racism was talked about as a motivating factor, despite the fact that she still beat him by less than Obama beat her by in the black population.
There's a hypocritical double standard here. It's very easy to see, unless you don't want to see it. |
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Nowon-gu
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| If 9 in 10 whites had voted for Clinton over Obama, racism would have been screamed about. Hell, when Clinton beat Obama in West Virginia by a large margin, racism was talked about as a motivating factor, despite the fact that she still beat him by less than Obama beat her by in the black population. |
Race was reported by the news as a motivating factor for blacks who voted for Obama. Likewise, the same happened regarding Clinton's win in West Virginia. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| proustme wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| If 9 in 10 whites had voted for Clinton over Obama, racism would have been screamed about. Hell, when Clinton beat Obama in West Virginia by a large margin, racism was talked about as a motivating factor, despite the fact that she still beat him by less than Obama beat her by in the black population. |
Race was reported by the news as a motivating factor for blacks who voted for Obama. Likewise, the same happened regarding Clinton's win in West Virginia. |
Blacks were no where near as condemned, and talked about far less. This is especially hypocritical because the black scenario happened in every single state, while the white issue happened primarily in one state.
Again, it's easy to discern the difference, unless you purposefully blind yourself to it. |
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Tundra_Creature
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| Bog Roll wrote: |
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| People need to wake up and realize that race is not important, but the person is. |
I always find it cute when some ignorant person says this because even though I have never met Carla I'll bet a million dollars she is white.
You would say that wouldn't you - it doesn't matter what part of the world you go to - there is a version of a eurocentric culture and language and it doesn't matter what continent you land on - some part of it (or every part of it in a lot of cases) has been ruled by a white male.
So why would YOU get bent out of shape about colour issues? (that still exist) |
So... you're saying that we SHOULD judge people by their skin and culture and not by their personality and that payback is always valid, even if the person in question had nothing to do with what other people or the same ethnicity have done, it's totally valid to go and discriminate against them?
Don't you find that a little bit... ineffective? |
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Bog Roll
Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Tundra_Creature wrote: |
| Bog Roll wrote: |
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| People need to wake up and realize that race is not important, but the person is. |
I always find it cute when some ignorant person says this because even though I have never met Carla I'll bet a million dollars she is white.
You would say that wouldn't you - it doesn't matter what part of the world you go to - there is a version of a eurocentric culture and language and it doesn't matter what continent you land on - some part of it (or every part of it in a lot of cases) has been ruled by a white male.
So why would YOU get bent out of shape about colour issues? (that still exist) |
So... you're saying that we SHOULD judge people by their skin and culture and not by their personality and that payback is always valid, even if the person in question had nothing to do with what other people or the same ethnicity have done, it's totally valid to go and discriminate against them?
Don't you find that a little bit... ineffective? |
No, you haven't understood what I have writtten - I'll simplify the simple even further.
Carla wants to know why such a competition exists. And it wasn't that long ago Miss America was Miss white America. We are not talking all that long ago when a black person had no chance of entering such a competiton - never winning it.
Is payback always valid - no - but it is understandable. In most cases - a simple acknowlegement to past wrongs will do. I'm a white man and I understand that - so why can't she - probably because she uses her history books to even out her bed legs!
Carla shows a complete and utter lack of understanding and total ignorance of what she is talking about - discriminate against her? No - make her aware of history? Yes - whats your problem with it?
Her ignorance is no excuse. |
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