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Darkray16
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 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:06 pm Post subject: Korean public school teachers not allowed to do privates? |
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I was told by my former co teacher that Korean public school teachers aren't allowed to do private tutoring, well in her words, it was "illegal" but I noticed that she wasn't able to distinguish the difference between illegal and breaking an employment contract so I assumed the latter.
Anyone know why this is? I understand why foreign teachers, on E visas aren't allowed to but why would schools explicitly state that their full time tenured teachers couldn't? Here in the states, it was often frowned upon by an employer if you taught anywhere else but I've never heard of a standard practice of banning it in the employment contract. |
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JJJ
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| They do though. I know a K-math and K-English teacher doing privates. I'm fine with it. No worries. |
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chonga
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm on an F-4 and although it is legal for me to do privates, I was told by the head teacher that it breaks the employment contract issued by EPIK for me to teach privates.
So it would be a breach of contract, nothing illegal (provided you are on an F visa). I'm guessing this is because they want your full attention and lesson planning to be for their school and not others outside of school. Also if it is legal for you to do privates (F visa) and permitted, they may be afraid you might just call it quits with the school and solely do privates. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Almost all public schools and unis have this sort of policy. All teachers are included, not just the waegs. Teachers at my uni get around it by having the class at school. |
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Dodgy Al
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| Conflict of interests. Pretty obvious really. |
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meangradin
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'm on an F-4 and although it is legal for me to do privates, I was told by the head teacher that it breaks the employment contract issued by EPIK for me to teach privates.
So it would be a breach of contract, nothing illegal (provided you are on an F visa). I'm guessing this is because they want your full attention and lesson planning to be for their school and not others outside of school. Also if it is legal for you to do privates (F visa) and permitted, they may be afraid you might just call it quits with the school and solely do privates |
completely wrong; no one is legally allowed to teach private classes in someone else's apartment - be they Korrean , an F-visa holder or a person with a private teachers license (which is only valid for a home school business) |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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I'm on an F-4 and although it is legal for me to do privates, I was told by the head teacher that it breaks the employment contract issued by EPIK for me to teach privates.
So it would be a breach of contract, nothing illegal (provided you are on an F visa). I'm guessing this is because they want your full attention and lesson planning to be for their school and not others outside of school. Also if it is legal for you to do privates (F visa) and permitted, they may be afraid you might just call it quits with the school and solely do privates |
completely wrong; no one is legally allowed to teach private classes in someone else's apartment - be they Korrean , an F-visa holder or a person with a private teachers license (which is only valid for a home school business) |
Yes, very true. But the biggest difference is that we can get deported, while Koreans can't, but can face a fine. |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:42 am Post subject: |
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I'm on an F-4 and although it is legal for me to do privates, I was told by the head teacher that it breaks the employment contract issued by EPIK for me to teach privates.
So it would be a breach of contract, nothing illegal (provided you are on an F visa). I'm guessing this is because they want your full attention and lesson planning to be for their school and not others outside of school. Also if it is legal for you to do privates (F visa) and permitted, they may be afraid you might just call it quits with the school and solely do privates |
completely wrong; no one is legally allowed to teach private classes in someone else's apartment - be they Korrean , an F-visa holder or a person with a private teachers license (which is only valid for a home school business) |
Yes, very true. But the biggest difference is that we can get deported, while Koreans can't, but can face a fine. |
That fine is now rather large. |
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DeLaRed
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: |
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I'm on an F-4 and although it is legal for me to do privates, I was told by the head teacher that it breaks the employment contract issued by EPIK for me to teach privates.
So it would be a breach of contract, nothing illegal (provided you are on an F visa). I'm guessing this is because they want your full attention and lesson planning to be for their school and not others outside of school. Also if it is legal for you to do privates (F visa) and permitted, they may be afraid you might just call it quits with the school and solely do privates |
completely wrong; no one is legally allowed to teach private classes in someone else's apartment - be they Korrean , an F-visa holder or a person with a private teachers license (which is only valid for a home school business) |
can an F series visa holder get deported? more likely a slap on the wrist? |
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Darkray16
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| wait... no one in this country is allowed to do private tutoring? What is the reasoning behind this law? |
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jvalmer
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can an F series visa holder get deported? more likely a slap on the wrist? |
An F-series holder can get deported, you still aren't a citizen. Not sure if they'd deport an F-series for tutoring though. Probably takes something serious to deport an F-series visa holder. But remember that if you're not a citizen you won't have all the rights a citizen will have. Goes for all countries. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Korean public school teachers not allowed to do privates |
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| Darkray16 wrote: |
I was told by my former co teacher that Korean public school teachers aren't allowed to do private tutoring, well in her words, it was "illegal" but I noticed that she wasn't able to distinguish the difference between illegal and breaking an employment contract so I assumed the latter.
Anyone know why this is? I understand why foreign teachers, on E visas aren't allowed to but why would schools explicitly state that their full time tenured teachers couldn't? Here in the states, it was often frowned upon by an employer if you taught anywhere else but I've never heard of a standard practice of banning it in the employment contract. |
Public school teachers are banned by law from teaching private lessons, at a hogwan, or anywhere outside of the school that employs them.
The reasons for this law include the fact that public school teachers could steer students to their own outside classes or their own institute. The teachers would likely focus more effort on the outside classes and less inside the school, making it even more useless to attend the already failed public schools. They could favor those students who attend their outside classes and thereby institutionalize the bribery of teachers by parents that many in Korea have been trying to minimize. It could get to the point of extortion where the student will be ignored in school if parents don't pay for the outside class. Since all of these actions by unscrupulous teachers have actually occured, this law is strictly enforced. Public school teachers caught teaching outside of public schools are generally fired. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Korean public school teachers not allowed to do privates |
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| Darkray16 wrote: |
I was told by my former co teacher that Korean public school teachers aren't allowed to do private tutoring, well in her words, it was "illegal" but I noticed that she wasn't able to distinguish the difference between illegal and breaking an employment contract so I assumed the latter.
Anyone know why this is? I understand why foreign teachers, on E visas aren't allowed to but why would schools explicitly state that their full time tenured teachers couldn't? Here in the states, it was often frowned upon by an employer if you taught anywhere else but I've never heard of a standard practice of banning it in the employment contract. |
Public school teachers are banned by law from teaching private lessons, at a hogwan, or anywhere outside of the school that employs them.
The reasons for this law include the fact that public school teachers could steer students to their own outside classes or their own institute. The teachers would likely focus more effort on the outside classes and less inside the school, making it even more useless to attend the already failed public schools. They could favor those students who attend their outside classes and thereby institutionalize the bribery of teachers by parents that many in Korea have been trying to minimize. It could get to the point of extortion where the student will be ignored in school if parents don't pay for the outside class. Since all of these actions by unscrupulous teachers have actually occured, this law is strictly enforced. Public school teachers caught teaching outside of public schools are generally fired. |
As there is no law against tutoring in Thailand, these exact problems you just described are big problems there.
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T-dot
Joined: 16 May 2004
Location: bundang
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'm on an F-4 and although it is legal for me to do privates, I was told by the head teacher that it breaks the employment contract issued by EPIK for me to teach privates.
So it would be a breach of contract, nothing illegal (provided you are on an F visa). I'm guessing this is because they want your full attention and lesson planning to be for their school and not others outside of school. Also if it is legal for you to do privates (F visa) and permitted, they may be afraid you might just call it quits with the school and solely do privates. |
wrong.
It is only legal to do privates if you register (ie tax purposes). Koreans also have to do the same.
Technically, it is a breach of contract for KTeachers to do privates, but some of them do it anyways. |
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