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Bog Roll
Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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UrbanStyle wrote: |
Whats really messed up is that you created this scenario and decided to use it in class making them choose to save their child or wife. Just SICK! |
He is teaching adults noob - I am sure you would just play hangman with them eh?  |
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eIn07912

Joined: 06 Dec 2008 Location: seoul
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think the bigger issue is what kind of sick person asks such as that? Especially if it's just an English conversation class. For christ's sake man.
Of course you save the child. Prego wife or not. The fetus isn't a person yet. I would guess that any mother or wife would insist on saving the living breathing child.
Bad call on asking that question though. You should apologize to the class for putting them in that situation. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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eIn07912 wrote: |
I think the bigger issue is what kind of sick person asks such as that? Especially if it's just an English conversation class. For christ's sake man.
Of course you save the child. Prego wife or not. The fetus isn't a person yet. I would guess that any mother or wife would insist on saving the living breathing child.
Bad call on asking that question though. You should apologize to the class for putting them in that situation. |
They LOVED it. Had a great time, and wanted to continue but we ran out of time.
Other scenarios we went over:
1. The Police Chief in a town is guarding the courthouse against a mob that is about to storm it by force, in order to capture a prisoner and lynch him before his trial. If the mob is frustrated, many people may be killed in a riot. Should the Police Chief deliver the prisoner to the mob?
7. A person has been hit by a car and is lying in the street. They are hurt and are bleeding very badly. You run to help them, but when you get there they say they have AIDS. What do you?
8. You see a woman take a lottery ticket out of her purse and it falls to the ground. You pick the ticket up and notice it has the winning numbers. Do you yell for the woman to stop and give her the ticket back, or do you keep it for yourself?
Since they were doctors, I guess I should apologize for questioning their commitment to the hypocratic oath (of note, one said he would NOT help the AIDS person).
Seriously, what kind of sheltered lives do you people live that you find so many things to be offended? You must not listen to music, turn on the TV or watch movies... |
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eIn07912

Joined: 06 Dec 2008 Location: seoul
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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freethought wrote: |
eIn07912 wrote: |
I think the bigger issue is what kind of sick person asks such as that? Especially if it's just an English conversation class. For christ's sake man.
Of course you save the child. Prego wife or not. The fetus isn't a person yet. I would guess that any mother or wife would insist on saving the living breathing child.
Bad call on asking that question though. You should apologize to the class for putting them in that situation. |
They LOVED it. Had a great time, and wanted to continue but we ran out of time.
Other scenarios we went over:
1. The Police Chief in a town is guarding the courthouse against a mob that is about to storm it by force, in order to capture a prisoner and lynch him before his trial. If the mob is frustrated, many people may be killed in a riot. Should the Police Chief deliver the prisoner to the mob?
7. A person has been hit by a car and is lying in the street. They are hurt and are bleeding very badly. You run to help them, but when you get there they say they have AIDS. What do you?
8. You see a woman take a lottery ticket out of her purse and it falls to the ground. You pick the ticket up and notice it has the winning numbers. Do you yell for the woman to stop and give her the ticket back, or do you keep it for yourself?
Since they were doctors, I guess I should apologize for questioning their commitment to the hypocratic oath (of note, one said he would NOT help the AIDS person).
Seriously, what kind of sheltered lives do you people live that you find so many things to be offended? You must not listen to music, turn on the TV or watch movies... |
1. Wasn't there a black and white movie about this? I'm sure there was. Anyways, the police chief stands his ground. If the mob kills him, then so be it. Decades later he'll be glorified as a hero for standing up for the law and they'll probably give a statue and name the city after him or something.
7. Back away. I'm not a doctor. That's not my responsibility, I never took that oath. I'll help a person if I can. But if it comes to risking my own life and even dying a painful death over it, it's not worth the sacrifice. Some of us become doctors and that really isn't a choice they're allowed to have. For that I applaud them and have for them my unbound and never ending respect and admiration. But giving my life for someone that is going to have a drastically shortened life span anyways, isn't a fair trade. If the roles were reversed, I'd hope I'd have the clarity to understand if someone were to back away from me as well. Doctors though, they have to treat the person in front of them. No matter the situation. No matter what he/she has done, no matter their status, they treat the patient in front of them. They take that oath and responsibility, so that the rest of us don't have to.
8. You give it back. Karma's a b*tch. Haha. Well, if it's a modern lottery system, they can trace the winning ticket back to the kwiki-mart that sold it and even have a time stamp on it. They'll review the CCTV to see who bought a ticket at that time and notice you look very different than the old woman who actually bought it. At the very least they'll launch an investigation to make sure you didn't murder the woman and take her ticket. With the amount of prize money they give out, some of these company's have done exactly that when the ticket wasn't claimed. They go back and review and at least get a picture of the person who bought the ticket. They never release it, but they know who bought it. You'd never get away with trying to claim it as your own. In fact, you'd probably get some charges slammed against you and end up paying a massive fine or do some time. Just not worth it. Give it to the old broad. Who knows, perhaps she slides you $20 bucks for it . Maybe she puts you in her will if you're lucky. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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VanIslander wrote: |
I don't reject Korean values nor accept them, perhaps because I still haven't gotten past the stage of dumbfounded head-shaking. |
When oh when does that stage ever end? 기가막였다 |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Joe666 wrote: |
Correct. Intelligent Design falls apart to a much greater degree when you study and understand how Molecular Biology (Genetics) operate. A sloppy mess. I agree that all men have the exact same urges as you expressed. The problem with this ideology is the cerebral aspect of the human. A million years ago, our severely hairy asses just hit everything we could. |
What's changed?
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There were little social/financial consequences. Now, circa 2009, it's a much different ballgame. I guess my point being that the human mind has to some degree alway's been indirectly connected to our genitalia. Today, the top head has to trump the bottom head or there could be severe consequences. I guess it depends on where you live and what you want as an individual. Look at the declining birth rates of most if not all the 1st world countries on this rock. As the human mind evolves, the unconscious motives also follow. |
Oh, I think there were always consequences. Getting the crap kicked out of you by jealous Ug the barbarian, being forced to marry at spearpoint, being ridiculed because your woman cuckolded you...old as time, I think. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like we've all been reading the same books. Dawkins, Pinker, etc. |
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kabrams

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Location: your Dad's house
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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1. Don't deliver to the mob, even if the person (in my opinion) deserves whatever is coming to him.
7. Uh, help the person to the best of my abilities while trying to remain safe. AIDS also isn't a death sentence. One of the biggest reasons why so many people die of illnesses related to AIDS is because they have inadequate health care or no health care at all.
8. I give the woman her ticket back. There's a story out now about an old man who was tricked into giving his $1 million lotto ticket back to the clerk, who then cashed it and disappeared.
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/content/fulltext/?cid=186572 |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:30 am Post subject: |
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My mom once asked me: Who is #1 to you: your wife or child? I promptly answered 'my child', and my dad scoffed.
His reason: People who base their marriage around their children 100% and not each other, when the nest is empty, they find they have nothing left.
After some more thought, I agree, but I still think my child is #1 to me. |
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kinerry
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Sooke wrote: |
I would likely choose my children over my wife as well. Not b/c of 'blood' but b/c they're my children. I would hope that my wife would choose my children too, if presented with the same situation.
What's the right answer? (the one you were looking for that wouldn't be messed up?) |
That's not an answer at all
You wouldn't save your wife because she's "your wife?" |
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Lunar Groove Gardener
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Location: 1987 Subaru
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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* What if the child had catastrophic mental disabilities, or the wife were pregnant with another lover's child?
* What if the person in the jail was a vicious, convicted serial rapist/murderer recaptured and the guard's life was at risk?
* What if the accident victim with AIDs was your brother?
* What if the lottery ticket holder was a wealthy American banker?
* Or what if you needed that lottery money for expensive medical treatments for your child?
**If you found a purse with $5,000.00 cash as well as credit cards etc.,
would you consider taking the cash and then returning the rest of the items anonymously? What about $50,000.00? Many would.
The most common rationale is along the lines of:
"At least I didn't use the credit cards etc."
"The money could well have been taken before I found the purse."
or "As long as I cannot be convicted of a crime, I can justify it."
I would like to think that I'd follow the rule of 'Karma', but who can say for certain? Not I. The urge to take the windfall might be too strong, given that there are no risks of legal/social consequences at all.
Perhaps the most telling of moral questions are answered by what we do when we know that nobody else can possibly find out about our actions.
Asking these questions forces us to examine ourselves and the good people that we hold ourselves up to be. To question in earnest, recognize and acknowledge the very real presence of personal flaws such as selfishness, fear, uncertainty, movable morality and greed.
Those with only one answer are perhaps seeing things too "clearly", or not. The whole struggle of ethics and morality often hinges upon situational components such as the presence of absence of consequences, to which even the purest of heart and mind may indeed acquiesce. |
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IMF crisis

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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To the people who are suggesting that the OP was out of line asking such questions: have you ever talked with any Korean adults before? This sort of question is very common here, but in the Korean version there are no bridges involved-two people fall in the the water and you have to choose which one to rescue first. I've been asked this sort of thing more than once by Koreans. Most often is having to choose between your mom and your wife, which makes sense in Korea where an oldest son may live with both and have to choose between two on a regular basis. |
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shamham
Joined: 29 Jul 2009
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:31 am Post subject: |
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eIn07912 wrote: |
1. Wasn't there a black and white movie about this? I'm sure there was. Anyways, the police chief stands his ground. If the mob kills him, then so be it. Decades later he'll be glorified as a hero for standing up for the law and they'll probably give a statue and name the city after him or something.
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This is one of the legends surrounding Wyatt Earp (though he didn't die in his confrontation). It's not a completely true account - he was placed in front because he was a feared killer, but he wasn't alone by a long shot.
Still took some cajones. |
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Passions

Joined: 31 May 2006
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Save the child. The wife most likely has an insurance policy.  |
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Samurai Blur
Joined: 20 Aug 2009
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hah! How do any of you even survive in the real world with the nonsense you get so upset over. It's a question designed to make you think. OMG! The end of the world! OP you're so sick!!! Grow up... |
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