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tfunk



Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland

PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject: Guns in Itaewon. Reply with quote

What's the story with soldiers carrying guns in Itaewon? I'm not talking about the military police on patrol. Last Saturday I had a bar man tell me he's carrying a gun and later called me an [Mod Edit].

Tonight, a person showed me what looked like a gun and told me 'if you're not American then keep walking'.

So, do members of the American military carry guns in Itaewon?
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mc_jc



Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I

PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soldiers are allowed to own guns, but they are not allowed to bring them to Korea when they PCS due to SOFA restrictions on bringing those things into the country. However, there are some high-ranking officers who have brought their gun collection to Korea, but they keep them locked in a gun cabinet and they're registered with the Provost Marshal's office.
They could be CID or MPI if not FBI.
Normally, these guys have to show you their ID before showing their weapon- it's SOP.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Soldiers are allowed to own guns, but they are not allowed to bring them to Korea when they PCS due to SOFA restrictions on bringing those things into the country.


I believe he is referring to American soldiers. All Americans are "allowed" to own guns. Very few Americans (or anyone) can bring firearms into Korea. They would need special permission through either the government, military, or police. Trafficking arms in any other fashion in Korea is a capital offense. Bad, bad juju. Doubt they'd actually execute you for it, though.

These people are idiots. There is no reason for them to display their firearms. Stay away from them if you can.

Nothing wrong with people keeping guns about, just so long as they keep it clean, legal, and professional. Your observations indicate none of the above.
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mc_jc



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I believe he is referring to American soldiers. All Americans are "allowed" to own guns.

I know, but soldiers aren't allowed to take weapons out if they are in civilian attire unless it is part of a sanctioned training exercise.
If the OP did see a gun and it was carried by a person he believed to be an American soldier, he should've contacted the MPs (by going to the KNP station, there is an MP laison assigned there) and the person would've been taken in and questioned. Such a violation is not just a threat to those who are in proximity of the person with the weapon, but it is a gross violation of Force Protection.

Off topic though, there are alot of guns now being brought into the country by the Russian mafia and falling into the hands of Korean gangsters.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mc_jc wrote:
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I believe he is referring to American soldiers. All Americans are "allowed" to own guns.

I know, but soldiers aren't allowed to take weapons out if they are in civilian attire unless it is part of a sanctioned training exercise.
If the OP did see a gun and it was carried by a person he believed to be an American soldier, he should've contacted the MPs (by going to the KNP station, there is an MP laison assigned there) and the person would've been taken in and questioned. Such a violation is not just a threat to those who are in proximity of the person with the weapon, but it is a gross violation of Force Protection.


Indeed. GI Joe waltzing about flashing his sidearm for cool points is bad news.

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Off topic though, there are alot of guns now being brought into the country by the Russian mafia and falling into the hands of Korean gangsters.


Nothing good can come of that. Shocked

"Remember little Kim, if school pressures become too much to bear, and you opt to kill yourself, be certain to use frangible ammunition so you don't kill your upstairs neighbor, too." Shocked Shocked Shocked
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bluelake



Joined: 01 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.38 Special wrote:
I believe he is referring to American soldiers. All Americans are "allowed" to own guns. Very few Americans (or anyone) can bring firearms into Korea. They would need special permission through either the government, military, or police. Trafficking arms in any other fashion in Korea is a capital offense. Bad, bad juju. Doubt they'd actually execute you for it, though.


While trafficking arms in Korea would get you a stiff prison sentence, it would not get you the death penalty. Your previous statement is true, however, as you must have a license to own a firearm in Korea, and many hunters and sportsmen do.
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halfmanhalfbiscuit



Joined: 13 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Airguns can look quite realistic(ally like the real McCoy) and be dangerous.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluelake wrote:
.38 Special wrote:
I believe he is referring to American soldiers. All Americans are "allowed" to own guns. Very few Americans (or anyone) can bring firearms into Korea. They would need special permission through either the government, military, or police. Trafficking arms in any other fashion in Korea is a capital offense. Bad, bad juju. Doubt they'd actually execute you for it, though.


While trafficking arms in Korea would get you a stiff prison sentence, it would not get you the death penalty. Your previous statement is true, however, as you must have a license to own a firearm in Korea, and many hunters and sportsmen do.


I don't know anything about how Korea handles the death penalty, but it would be somewhat quaint if they had capital offenses without, ya know, capital punishment Laughing

Interesting that there are hunters in the RoK. I did not know this. What's the fare for hunters on the peninsula? Any remote possibility of a polite and trustworthy waegookin getting a license?
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halfmanhalfbiscuit



Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's the occasional TV spot about wild pigs that venture into East Seoul (or rather are squeezed in). They take a bit of stopping, even from a police .38. They're usually hyper and scared s-less after 3 hours of people trying to catch them. Why they can't just be caught and released again I don't know. Killing them seems like punishment or something.
There are deer in Seoul too I've heard (Yangjae Stream and towards Seongnam)
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.38 Special wrote:


Interesting that there are hunters in the RoK. I did not know this. What's the fare for hunters on the peninsula? Any remote possibility of a polite and trustworthy waegookin getting a license?

Wild pigs, water deer, pheasants, etc. Its such a rare delight to spot these critters in the wild & such a shame that some consider it sport to blow them away. But some Koreans register to hunt. Tight seasonal openings & registered gun-owners turn in their weapons during off-season. I doubt a foreigner could get a licence.
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
.38 Special wrote:


Interesting that there are hunters in the RoK. I did not know this. What's the fare for hunters on the peninsula? Any remote possibility of a polite and trustworthy waegookin getting a license?

Wild pigs, water deer, pheasants, etc. Its such a rare delight to spot these critters in the wild & such a shame that some consider it sport to blow them away. But some Koreans register to hunt. Tight seasonal openings & registered gun-owners turn in their weapons during off-season. I doubt a foreigner could get a licence.


Far far better hunting in the West anyway. Be a shame to kill a deer here, or a pig. Back home in NZ they're literally introduced pests that the government pays people to shoot if hunting isn't enough to control them.
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