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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:39 pm    Post subject: Third party warning sign Reply with quote

ANYTHING to give more electoral options is good, but the system is so stacked against them that prospects remain very slim.

Voters Increasingly Interested in Alternatives to Major Parties

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK � Third party candidates could upend two major races in off-year elections Tuesday, and the success of those candidacies is a warning shot fired at both major parties by voters angry at government and disillusioned by politics as usual.

In the New Jersey governor's race, independent Chris Daggett has gone from afterthought to player in a contest pitting the unpopular incumbent, Democrat Jon Corzine, against Republican Chris Christie.

In New York's 23rd Congressional district, where longtime Republican Rep. John McHugh stepped down to be Army secretary, prominent national Republicans have snubbed GOP candidate Dede Scozzafava, a state assemblywoman who supports abortion rights and gay marriage, in favor of Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman. [Scozzafava has now dropped out of the race. - bac]

Daggett is not expected to win the New Jersey contest, and the GOP split in upstate New York could throw the race to Democrat Bill Owens.

But the impact of those candidacies on the high-profile contests points to an anti-incumbent, anti-establishment sentiment that could be a prevailing theme in the 2010 congressional elections and beyond.

"What it says is the public is looking for less self-interested parties and candidates who can reflect the needs of a very frustrated public," said Douglas Astolfi, a history professor at Florida's St. Leo University. "We have two wars and we're in a recession that neither party seems to address in any positive way. There's a deep sense that government has abandoned the common man. People are frustrated and angry."

Both parties ignore such sentiment at their peril in 2010 and perhaps into the 2012 presidential race.

In Senate contests from Florida and Kentucky to New Hampshire next year, conservatives furious at the Republican establishment are mounting primary challenges against more mainstream candidates favored by the national party.

On the other side, Democratic strategists worry that progressives, disgusted by the big money bank bailout and disillusioned with President Barack Obama's lack of fight on issues such as a government-run health insurance plan, might keep some people from voting. That could cost Democrats seats up and down the ballot.

more at link

Excellent site for independent and third party issues: Ballot Access News
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except for the quote from the prof at St. Leo's (where?) the article is fine as far as it goes, but it leaves out significant factors. One of them is the explosion of the internet where every crackpot and loon has a platform to spread their crackpot and/or luny theories; hence the spread of fringe ideas. If even 1% of people are prone to be flakes, in a country the size of ours, that means 3 million people, a not insignificant number.

Ms Fouhy neglects to mention which 3rd party is poised to offer a credible alternative. The screaming Teabaggers? The Birthers? The Death Panelistas? Fooey!
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Nowhere Man



Joined: 08 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:36 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Unfreeze the House.

Ditch the electoral college.
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Except for the quote from the prof at St. Leo's (where?) the article is fine as far as it goes, but it leaves out significant factors. One of them is the explosion of the internet where every crackpot and loon has a platform to spread their crackpot and/or luny theories; hence the spread of fringe ideas. If even 1% of people are prone to be flakes, in a country the size of ours, that means 3 million people, a not insignificant number.

Ms Fouhy neglects to mention which 3rd party is poised to offer a credible alternative. The screaming Teabaggers? The Birthers? The Death Panelistas? Fooey!


And there aren't loons amongst the Dem/Repub contingent?
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone got a good third party analysis of the election?
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Reggie



Joined: 21 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As much as I would like to see some third party success right here right now, I don't think it'll happen until the US Treasury Department gets its Ponzi schemes exposed like what happened to Madoff. Local and state budgets are already reaching the breaking point. Once this economy blows up (and it will), then people will be soooooooooo pissed off at Republicans and Democrats. Laughing
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reggie wrote:
As much as I would like to see some third party success right here right now, I don't think it'll happen until the US Treasury Department gets its Ponzi schemes exposed like what happened to Madoff. Local and state budgets are already reaching the breaking point. Once this economy blows up (and it will), then people will be soooooooooo pissed off at Republicans and Democrats. Laughing

We can only dream, but more likely each party will just blame the other and think, "If only my party gets in/re-elected, we could fix everything." And it will just be the SOS all over again.
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