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youtuber

Joined: 13 Sep 2009

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:09 am Post subject:

mises wrote:

http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/

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The downside of diversity

A Harvard political scientist finds that diversity hurts civic life. What happens when a liberal scholar unearths an inconvenient truth?

IT HAS BECOME increasingly popular to speak of racial and ethnic diversity as a civic strength. From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.

But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam -- famous for "Bowling Alone," his 2000 book on declining civic engagement -- has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings.

"The extent of the effect is shocking," says Scott Page, a University of Michigan political scientist.

But even after statistically taking them all into account, the connection remained strong: Higher diversity meant lower social capital. In his findings, Putnam writes that those in more diverse communities tend to "distrust their neighbors, regardless of the color of their skin, to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television."

"People living in ethnically diverse settings appear to 'hunker down' -- that is, to pull in like a turtle," Putnam writes.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123986/Utah-South-Dakota-Best-Places-Lose-Wallet.aspx

If you want to undermine the voluntary, trusting elements of society then import hoards of foreigners.

The next step, after social capital is lost, is for the natives to become restless. (BNP). If their outrage is not pacified, the next step is violence.

So, what do you want. Do you want to punish whites with mass immigration? Ok, but eventually they'll form and join organizations like the BNP. Who will suffer from the BNP?

Ah, these emotionally broken beta-male leftists. Never able to think two steps ahead.

This seems to make sense. Increase freedom of movement between countries and you decrease the sense of home, community, and emotional tie to one's country. Patriotism can be a good thing, but it is definitely on the decline nowadays. People just follow the money.

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youtuber

Joined: 13 Sep 2009

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:14 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

English Matt wrote:

[s. Canadian citizens are limited to Canada .

Only we are not. There are plenty of Canadians working in America and Mexico. And there are plenty more in many ESL destinations.

I read in the paper the other day that Canada has a "hidden province" that most people don't know about. Currently, there are 2.8 million Canadians living and working abroad. Seeing that we only have a population of 34 mill, that is a huge number.

50% of those Canadians are living in Hong Kong, Australia, the US, or the UK.

English Matt

Joined: 12 Oct 2008

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject:

youtuber wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

English Matt wrote:

[s. Canadian citizens are limited to Canada .

Only we are not. There are plenty of Canadians working in America and Mexico. And there are plenty more in many ESL destinations.

That's around 8% of the population.....it really isn't that special. Many countries have an emmigration statistic which is as high or higher. For instance, out of a population of 60 million, 5.5 million Brits opt to live abroad. That's around 9% of the population.

youtuber

Joined: 13 Sep 2009

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject:

I wonder what percentage of Koreans live abroad? I'm guessing it's more than 10% what will Koreatown in LA and such.

Bog Roll

Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

But we do not have a historical, moral obligation to their grandchildren or great-grandchildren. Unless you are stating that people from former colonies should continue to have the right to enter the UK regardless. We may not have been letting everyone in, but the last 10 years have seen the largest influx of immigrants on record.

Yes we do, if it wasn't for the Indian army we would have got overrun in two world wars, it is a simple fact - so we do owe these people - you may not think you owe them because you are a racist bigot.

The last 10 years has seen the immigration records broken in almost every EU country - is that to do with the movement of labour within the EU? I think it is - try and get a work visa for the UK if you come from outside the UK and don't have a near fluent command of English. (and you are not a rocket scientst or heart surgeon)

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Save me the Imperial guilt, its quite tiresome. We do not have a moral obligation, certainly in terms of free entry to the UK, to the great grandchildren of former colonial subjects.

Yeah, it is wasted on you because in your eyes - the brown and black man role in the empire was to serve its white master and they did just that. Anybody with something like a bit of compassion and a bit of honour sees it a bit different.

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Again, different countries have to design their immigration policies to suit their own situations. Just because many Brits immigrate overseas every year, does not mean we have to have a lax immigration policy that lets in all and sundry because of the sins of the Raj.

This proves what an absolute hypocrite you are - you don't give a toss about immigration or else you would be more worried about why so many British people leave. You just care about people who aren't your colour who don't pray to your God living next door to you - bigot!

I bet when you bandy about 'immigration to the UK' figures you don't discount the transient, temporary labour do you? You count every single Pole and Lithuanian who turns up to ruin your perfect monocultural country.

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London has always been a multicultural city? Yes, there has been a foreign presence in London for quite some time, with a small Jewish minority in some parts of the East End and many Irish. However, pre-1950s London, in a 'multicultural' sense bears no relation to the London of today. It was an overwhelmingly white, British city relatively untouched by non-European immigration, which did not start in earnest until the 1950s, 1960s. The phrase 'London has always been multicultural' is an essentially meaningless slogan that attempts to rewrite the history of the city.

No it didn't! This is the problem with talking with thick racists - those west Indian people who came in the 1950s and 1960s were BRITISH, with BRITISH PASSPORTS. So how can you be an immigrant if where you are from is part of the UK and you have a British passport? If someone comes from Gibraltar, Tristan da Cuhna or the Falkland Islands to live in the UK - they are not immigrants are they?

And a lot of the Indian people who came during that time also had British citizenship and were also invited. Neverless - London has always been a city of immigrants just Buenos Aires and New York but your only differentation is - guess what - skin colour - what does that make you - you betcha!

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I would like to see a stable, prosperous country, with a sense of shared identity and values. Unfortunately, that has been undermined by the pace of immigration over the last few decades. It needs to be curtailed, so that people can be given the chance to assimilate.

That is not it you alarmist douchebag - the reasons Britian is going down the pan has very little to do with immigration - you people have always existed with your crap scremongering - the change in Britian now has nothing to do with that and more to do with a collapse of social and family values which seem to be irreversible. But that will be ignored as we blame the spearchuckers, the ragheads and the polacks for runing our great monocultural paradise - berk!

Tell me Big Verne - where do you live now?

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'Right wing bigot porn'....like debating with a 15 year old. I never said anything about the white man becoming a minority in the UK, but I suggest that your figures grossly understate the reality of demographics in the UK, particularly in England, which is most affected by mass immigration.

For a stout hearted English patriot - why can't you comprehend simple English?

I didn't say YOU said anything about the white man becoming the minority rather the sensationalist, racist rags that stoke the fires into racist simpletons like you (such as the daily mail)

My statistics are correct and you can't hide around 90% of ther country is white and British - that tells me and anyone that doesn't have a hamster on a treadmill in their skull that we are in fact - quite hardline about who we let in - you can take that to the bank and nail that daily mail where it belongs - next to the toilet seat.

mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject:

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you are a racist bigot...serve its white master...Anybody with something like a bit of compassion and a bit of honour...hypocrite...bigot!...thick racists ...alarmist douchebag ...stout hearted English patriot...racist...racist simpletons like you...anyone that doesn't have a hamster on a treadmill in their skull...

Fail.

English Matt

Joined: 12 Oct 2008

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:01 am Post subject:

mises wrote:

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Fail.

Are you trying to make some sort of a point here.....monosyllabicism is very unattractive and doesn't exactly make you appear very intellectual.

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:52 am Post subject:

Monsieur Bog Roll clearly demonstrates the collapse of educational standards in the UK; unable to make a cogent argument and reduced to throwing around terms like 'racist' and 'bigot' as if these ad hominems in any way undermine my position. They don't. They just make you look like an immature little boy. Now, let's move onto your statements.

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you may not think you owe them because you are a racist bigot.

Priceless, I am a 'racist bigot' because I do not agree with your position that 50 years after the end of Empire, the grandchildren of the UK owe the grandchildren of India something. They don't. India needs, and is indeed able to take care of its own problems, and can do without your patronising white liberal guilt.

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The last 10 years has seen the immigration records broken in almost every EU country - is that to do with the movement of labour within the EU? I think it is - try and get a work visa for the UK if you come from outside the UK and don't have a near fluent command of English.

Only three countries in Europe, including the UK, allowed unrestricted entry from the new member countries in Eastern Europe. Most other countries, like France and Germany, negotiated a 10 year reprieve, and thus did not receive so many entrants. Thus, this massive influx of Poles and others was entirely of the government's making. Nevertheless, the bulk of inward migration to the UK over the last 10 years has come from outside the EU, from Africa and Asia, due to liberal interpretations of asylum law, allowing hundreds of thousands in, and also because of the continuation of chain migration, which could be ended immediately if the government wished to do so.

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you don't give a toss about immigration or else you would be more worried about why so many British people leave

I am worried about why so many, in the main, rich, talented, qualified people are leaving the country, but you cannot compel people to stay in your country if they want to leave. You can, however, decide who enters your country, and such considerations should be based not on imperial guilt but whether such immigration is in the interests of the host country.

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This is the problem with talking with thick racists - those west Indian people who came in the 1950s and 1960s were BRITISH, with BRITISH PASSPORTS. So how can you be an immigrant if where you are from is part of the UK and you have a British passport?

Right, so the Windrush generation; people who moved from half way across the world from India and the Caribbean to the UK were not immigrants? You are engaging in semantics. Up until Windrush, the non-European population of the UK, and indeed London was tiny, and as such this represented a massive change in demographics. Please note, before you go off on one of your rants, that I am not saying this was a bad thing. I am merely pointing to the fact that pre-1948, the UK, and indeed London, were in no-way multicultural, try as you may to distort history.

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We are talking specifically here about immigration and multiculturalism, and its social effects. That is what I am addressing. Clearly, the reasons for the decline of the UK are too numerous to count, with immigration not being among the key factors. I never said anything about 'ragheads' ruining 'our monocultural paradise', I merely stated that immigration has proceeded at too fast a pace, and this is not in the interests of the country. And your response is to scream 'racist' and 'bigot'. Pathetic, but not really surprising.

Bog Roll

Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:55 am Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

You are a racist bigot - all anyone has to do is look through your posting history. You have a manic obsession with immigration and Islam - if this was stormfront then post away to your hearts content but this is a ESL board about teachers in Korea - everytime there is a post about Islam, immigration or race - up pops bigverne to spout more crap. If the shoe fits then wear it.

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There are more British people living in Spain than there are Poles living in the UK by a good 100000 people. Now are we talking about immigration or asylum? Because a lot of people arriving to the UK from outside the EU are seeking asylum - it is near to impossible for anyone (outside a top scientist or a heart surgeon or premiership footballer) to get a work permit from outside the EU. I think you - like other racists - get asylum and immigration mixed up and you need to decide what we are going to discuss - immigration - or - asylum - decide and we will stick to the topic - don't start bringing in asylum in a debate about immigration.

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What complete rot! You have a huge case of 'white entitlement' that is about you and your kind having the freedom to go anywhere you want but denying others that right on the basis of skin colour. You didn't answer my question - where are you living now?

You are a hypocrite. It is a simple equasion to make that you are an economic migrant earning money away from home, but finds offence if anyone does the same in your country. Hypocrite.

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Right, so the Windrush generation; people who moved from half way across the world from India and the Caribbean to the UK were not immigrants?

No they were not! Is someone who moves from the Shetland Islands to London an immigrant? The windrush generation all held British citizenship like we do today. They were British.

So - the Falkland Islands is 8000 miles away - so because they are so far away - they are not British? If they came to the UK they would be immigrants?

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You are engaging in semantics.

How the hell am I - tell me where I am playing a game of semantics - tell me what I have said that was untrue or misleading - I bet you don't know what the word 'semantics' means. Laughing

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Up until Windrush, the non-European population of the UK, and indeed London was tiny, and as such this represented a massive change in demographics.

Now we are getting to your proper beef - it isn't about British citizens who had the right to live here and considered themselves British - its because they is black? Laughing

Do you how many people came on windrush and how long it took before the influx from the British West Indies became something like substansial? Go and read up on it?

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Please note, before you go off on one of your rants, that I am not saying this was a bad thing. I am merely pointing to the fact that pre-1948, the UK, and indeed London, were in no-way multicultural, try as you may to distort history.

It was - you need to get around your head the difference between multicultural New York was multicultural - it had Italian, Jewish, Irish, German, Russian neighbourhoods thus you can still be multicultural and still be white - and you had multiracial which means different races living together - London has always been multicultural however London in its history was more multiracial thank you think. Like any big port city in any empire such as Seville, Lisbon, Liverpool and Glasgow.

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We are talking specifically here about immigration and multiculturalism, and its social effects.

So we are not going to talk about asylum - so don't address asylum issues and stick to your point.

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That is what I am addressing. Clearly, the reasons for the decline of the UK are too numerous to count, with immigration not being among the key factors.

Thank you - we agree on something - 'Broken Britian' has very little input from immigrants.

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I never said anything about 'ragheads' ruining 'our monocultural paradise', I merely stated that immigration has proceeded at too fast a pace,

You are starting to sound like a Korean - Has having the empire for nearly 400 years been something like 'too fast' for you to get used to other cultures and races?

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and this is not in the interests of the country. And your response is to scream 'racist' and 'bigot'. Pathetic, but not really surprising.

You are a racist and you are a bigot - go through your posting history and tell me this is not the case.

Now, all you have to do is anwser a simple question - try not to ignore it.

Where do you live and make your money?

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:06 am Post subject:

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You are a racist bigot

More pathetic name calling. Please provide evidence that I have a belief in the superiority of one racial group over another, or that I believe that certain racial groups should be discriminated against. If you can't produce such evidence, then STFU.

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I think you - like other racists - get asylum and immigration mixed up and you need to decide what we are going to discuss - immigration - or - asylum - decide and we will stick to the topic - don't start bringing in asylum in a debate about immigration.

The two issues are inextricably linked. The rise in the numbers of those seeking asylum has risen dramatically over the last 10 years, and this has been a major part of the rise in the number of people settling in the UK. Because economic migration used to be extremely selective, asylum was used, often fraudulently to gain entry into the UK. I am concerned with the numbers of people coming to the UK, and clearly asylum seekers are part of that number.

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Where did I say anything about denying entry to people based on skin colour? I didn't, so you just made it up. But, you have proven yourself, time and time again, unable to engage in intelligent debate. Sad to say, you probably have a university education.

I live in South Korea, where I am working perfectly legally. Korea has a very restrictive immigration policy, and they have every right to enforce one. There is nothing hypocritical in me wanting a similar level of stringency for the UK. You clearly don't know what racism is, so it comes as no surprise that you don't understand the concept of hypocrisy. Again, a testament to the dumbing down of education in the UK.

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but finds offence if anyone does the same in your country.

Clearly, you're a little thick, so I'll state my position again. I have no problem with controlled immigration into the UK. I do have a problem with mass immigration, as witnessed over the past 10 years, to one of the most crowded nations on earth, that will lead to serious social conflict in the future. I do not believe in restricting migration on the basis of race, nor have I ever stated such a thing.

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No they were not! Is someone who moves from the Shetland Islands to London an immigrant? The windrush generation all held British citizenship like we do today. They were British.

They were British subjects yes, and had British passports, but moving from one part of the Empire to another would still be considered immigration, unlike movement within a single country. The arrival of the Windrush, is always referred to as the start of Commonwealth immigration, in whichever book you care to read on the subject.

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You are starting to sound like a Korean - Has having the empire for nearly 400 years been something like 'too fast' for you to get used to other cultures and races?

You keep bringing up the 'Empire' which has not existed for more than 50 some years. I am concerned with immigration policy to the UK in the 21st century, which is in drastic need of an overhaul, in terms of reducing the numbers. The vast majority of people in the UK, as evidenced in poll after poll, agree with me. It is you, with your rantings about Empire and how we need to atone for the sins of our fathers, who is the extremist.

Bog Roll

Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:33 am Post subject:

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http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=551867&highlight=#551867

Multiculturalism is based on the idea of a shared humanity and the recognition that all cultures have worthy aspects.

No it's not. It's based on the idea that all cultures are EQUAL, which they patently are not. It's based on the idea that the state should not promote a shared NATIONAL identity, and that minority cultures should be given parity and equal support to the majority indigeneous culture. It rejects the notion that immigrants should assimilate. It assigns people rights based on their group status, and treats people differently according to their ethnic origin. It rejects the notion of shared values (and in the West, this mean Western values) and replaces them with 'cultural sensitivity'. (Bigverne)

You have typed out so much crap, drivel, bunkum and nonsense about race and culture and religion and ethnicity - I was spoilt for choice - but I think the above demostrates what you are about.

Now - calling you a spotty fat mong is calling you names - I am stating fact - you are a racist bigot with a manic obsession with islam and immigration and the posts you make on here would not be out of place on stormfront. Everyone on here is at liberty to go back and look through your posting history - it is there.

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Immigration has nothing to do with asylum - it is the racists trick to interlink the two when they are absolutely seperate. So you are saying that an asylum seeker and a legal immigrant have the same rights, conditions and benefits of living in the UK? If not - why are you intermarrying two different subjects?

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You are anti-immigration, anti islamic, anti multi cultural and anti multi racial and 5 to 6 years worth of posts on here display your basic prejudices very well - anyone who can search through your posts will come to their conclusion but no doubt they will need a bath afterwards.

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I live in South Korea, where I am working perfectly legally. Korea has a very restrictive immigration policy, and they have every right to enforce one. There is nothing hypocritical in me wanting a similar level of stringency for the UK. You clearly don't know what racism is, so it comes as no surprise that you don't understand the concept of hypocrisy. Again, a testament to the dumbing down of education in the UK.

You are an economic migrant - just in case you don't know what one is - I will highlight a definition:

An economic migrant is a person that moves from one country to another for the purpose of work or other economic opportunities. This may include legal and illegal immigration. Some people are migrants for only a short period and plan to return to their country of origin. Other wish to permanently settle in a nation and go through

You are the same as a Polish plumber, the Lithuanian warehouseman, the
Greek waiter and the Filipina nurse.

You are a hypocrite. (as well as an economic migrant)

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Don't project you stupidity onto me Laughing

The figures have be presented 90% of the UK is WHITE and BRITISH How can there be mass immigration to such a scale as you are envisioning? There isn't and it will remain this way for the next 100 years. There is no evidence that there has been this mass movement of population except for OUT of the country - where 5.5 million British citizens now call somewhere else home - that is a massive number for a first world nation.

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Again - you haven't answered the question.

So if someone moves from the Falkland Islands to the UK - are they an immigrant?

Would they be classed as one legally or socially?

Just answer that question.

But before you do - remember - I know your position on this very subject. Cool

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1725911&highlight=#1725911

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You keep bringing up the 'Empire' which has not existed for more than 50 some years.

The empire (whats left of it) exists today.

50 years? We gave up the majority of our African and Carribean colonies in the 1960s and 1970s - not all that long ago and probably in both our lifetimes.

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I am concerned with immigration policy to the UK in the 21st century, which is in drastic need of an overhaul, in terms of reducing the numbers.

Why - 5.5 million people are living outside the UK - we probably have a million immigrants - mostly from the EU - maybe I am crap at maths but I don't see the overcrowding problem - if we kicked every immigrant out and brought the 5.5 million back (including me - and I wouldn't be happy about it) then you would see some overcrowding - thats a fact.

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The vast majority of people in the UK, as evidenced in poll after poll, agree with me.

The Daily Mail poll? The BNP poll - no-one has ever asked me and my mates or anyone I know - I know I would be upset if we got rid of all the Indian, Chinese, Turkish food shops and cafe, all the hard working people who put fruit and veg on our shelves and all the filipina nurses and Greek doctors to live in your maypole dancing, soggy pie monocultural paradise - keep it - and I think most people would agree with me on that.

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It is you, with your rantings about Empire and how we need to atone for the sins of our fathers, who is the extremist.

It is a fact we had an empire, it is a fact we got extremely rich off an empire, it is a fact that the empire stopped two invading armies taking over our way of life, it is a fact that Britons today make up a large number of the worldwide immigrant population and it is a fact that you have no answers. Cool

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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:43 am Post subject:

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Everyone on here is at liberty to go back and look through your posting history

So, you can produce no evidence. I thought not. You are right, I believe that Islam is a distinctly intolerant ideology and that immigration to the UK has been running at far too high levels in recent years. Neither of these things makes me a racist, a term which has become a useful insult for people to hurl in the absence of an intellectual rebuttal.

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Immigration has nothing to do with asylum - it is the racists trick to interlink the two when they are absolutely seperate.

What a nonsensical statement. The asylum system has been used by economic migrants to enter the UK, due to the fact that economic legal migration has been restricted for many years. If we are talking about the massive increase in people who have come to the UK in the past decade, we are also talking about those who have entered the country while claiming asylum. They are not excluded from the Home Office's immigration statistics, so one wonder's why you believe the two issues to be 'completely seperate'.

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You are an economic migrant

Yes I am, but if you had any reading ability you would have noticed that I didn't state that I wanted a ban on people immigrating to the UK. That would indeed make me a hypocrite.

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How can there be mass immigration to such a scale as you are envisioning? There isn't and it will remain this way for the next 100 years.

I am not 'envisioning' anything, but merely stating facts. In the last 10 years, the UK has experienced the largest inward migration of people in its history. That is indisputable. Largely as a result of such immigration the population has increased by around 2.5 million people.

Moreover, your figures that the UK is 90% white are based on the 2001 census figures and massively underestimate the ethnic minority population of the UK. The notion that such demographics will 'remain this way for the next 100 years' show just how ignorant you are. The fact that almost 25% of births in the England and Wales in 2008 were to mothers born outside the UK should tell you something about how demographics in the UK are changing.

But, once again you have no evidence, no facts to back up any of your assertions, just wild emotional outburts.

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I know I would be upset if we got rid of all the Indian, Chinese, Turkish food shops and cafe, all the hard working people who put fruit and veg on our shelves and all the filipina nurses and Greek doctors to live in your maypole dancing, soggy pie monocultural paradise - keep it - and I think most people would agree with me on that

But, you imbecile, I have never suggested 'getting rid' of all the immigrants in our country, or of advocating a return to a 'monocultural' UK. Again, you cannot challenge anything I actually say, but instead need to fabricate my beliefs. I guess that makes it easier for someone so intellectually challenged as yourself.

Bog Roll

Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:56 am Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

So, you can produce no evidence. I thought not. You are right, I believe that Islam is a distinctly intolerant ideology and that immigration to the UK has been running at far too high levels in recent years. Neither of these things makes me a racist, a term which has no become a useful insult for people to hurl in the absence of an intellectual rebuttal.

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Immigration has nothing to do with asylum - it is the racists trick to interlink the two when they are absolutely seperate.

There is so much I could have used but the example above is enough. Cool

You don't think all cultures are equal - let me guess - the white, English culture is at the top? Yeah? Who is beneath a culturally supreme specimen as yourself?

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The difference is that 'illegal immigrants' who 'claim asylum' (they are asylum seekers who have no right to work by the way) are deported on a consistent basis. legal immigrants have a right to abode - there is a massive difference - but again - you are merging the two and what you are saying is that all 'asylum seekers' are indeed 'illegal immigrants' which is ridiculous - I am sure some asylum seekers break the law and look for work and I am sure not every asylum seekers is genuine and I certainly know not every asylum seeker gets granted right of abode to the UK and many get sent back. To say otherwise is just being out of touch with the reality of the situation via the daily mail.

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Yes I am, but if you had any reading ability you would have noticed that I didn't state that I wanted a ban on people immigrating to the UK. That would indeed make me a hypocrite.

Jesus Christ Bigverne - every single goddamn post you make on here is about immigration - you don't seem to get that there are a lot of Koreans who hate the sight of you and want you out - but for some reason - you don't seem to take their wishes on board yet - expect Poles who are also economic migrants to do the same for you.

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From the EU and your migrationwatch figure of 2.5 million is bullshit.

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Moreover, your figures that the UK is 90% white are based on the 2001 census figures and massively underestimate the ethnic minority population of the UK. The notion that such demographics will 'remain this way for the next 100 years' show just how ignorant you are. The fact that almost 25% of births in the England and Wales in 2008 were to mothers born outside the UK should tell you something about how demographics in the UK are changing.

Actually no - 2007 figures. And - 25% of births were by mothers from outside the UK - source! Because it is bullshit - no BNP or UKIP crap either?

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Bigverne - you ignore half of my post - you ignore my question about the falkland islanders - you ignore facts about the percentage of the population that is white and British - and I am the imbecile - lets keep going though Bigverne! I'm loving it! Wink

See you tomorrow!

Summer Wine

Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:34 am Post subject:

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She said many born under China's one-child policy were taking advantage of New Zealand's parent policy to sponsor their parents and even grandparents here, bringing new challenges in health, housing and socio-economic issues which will be better understood by members of the Asian community.

"Everything is legal, this is the New Zealand Government's policy and people are making full use of it.

"It is an inevitable trend, and it is up to everybody to get used to it. We cannot turn the clock back," Professor Ip said.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10607153

In this country, it is this issue that does raise questions. Especially, when immigration and long term immigration has not in fact been discussed in this country by a referendem.

If you read the article, you will realise the fast nature of change. I read an article that said of the 125,000 Chinese in NZ today. 100,000 had not been born there. Thats quite a change in a population, especially when you consider how small the population is and how many other ethnic groups there are who have increased.

What is the total population increase of immigrants in the last 20 yrs?

youtuber

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:04 pm Post subject:

You know, I think it will just get easier and easier to just go and live wherever the hell you want. Look at what is happening to trade: more open. So I guess it follows that if goods have free movement, so should people. The EU is expanding. Korea is talking about duel citizenship. Not many countries are closing themselves off these days. They are opening up. But on the other hand, all of these social programs (healthcare, public schools, ect) are crumbling. You know, it may not be possible to simultaneously have strong social programs and free movement of people. Capitalism and social programs just don't go together. Like oil and water. Capitalism encourages people to take all they can. But social programs ask people to be considerate. I don't think those two ideas can co-exist together successfully.

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