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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Many feel it to be the most promising, safe, and generally efficacious treatment for major degenerative diseases, from AIDS and chronic fatigue to cancer and arthritis. |
This is classic pseusoscience. Take something that has a very specific application and use and then just extend it out to just about everything. What do Arthritis, chronic fatigue and AIDS even have in common? What is the feasibility of this treatment working on such disparate illnesses? |
Really, JMD? Do tell us, just what is ozone's specific application?
The reason ozone is effective against a wide range of illnesses is that is, among its many effects, an immune system enhancer. While its bactericidal, virucidal, and fungicidal action may not be completely understood, they have nevertheless been documented.
Pseudoscience, eh? The article has 45 footnotes to, mostly to medical journals.
But you do not have to use it if you do not want to. I encourage everyone to investigate it and decide for themselves. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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The specific application in this case is as a sterilizing agent.
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| Pseudoscience, eh? The article has 45 footnotes to, mostly to medical journals. |
That articles claims that ozone can be used as treatment against a staggering amount of illnesses. 45 footnotes doesn't cut it. Even for just one of those illnesses, I'd expect there to be multiple large peer blinded studies and scores of smaller ones.
I said this is classic pseudoscience because there are a number of cases of scam artists choosing one thing as a cure all and then marketing it as such. This might not be the case here but the range of illnesses claimed is a definite red flag.
Another thing I noticed is the age of those links to medical journals which is worrying. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
But you do not have to use it if you do not want to. I encourage everyone to investigate it and decide for themselves. |
I'd encourage everyone, if you are seriously ill, to ask a doctor or several doctors. If they prescribe ozone therapy, then go for it.
This is one of those things where most of us are just not qualified to decide for ourselves. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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It is not the water, but the ozone, and it is not only for viruses.
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| I know a number of cases of individuals with T-cell counts that have been very low, but because of regular ozone therapy they have not gotten any opportunistic infections. In fact, it's almost as though the ozone is taking the place of their immune system. Unfortunately, you often do not see rises in their T-cell counts, but you can see a stabilization and a management as a chronic manageable illness. It's my belief that the use of ozone in association with other complementary therapies can convert AIDS from a uniformly terminal illness to something that is chronically manageable, which is better than what anyone else can offer at this point. |
Many feel it to be the most promising, safe, and generally efficacious treatment for major degenerative diseases, from AIDS and chronic fatigue to cancer and arthritis. It's ozone - - medical ozone. Medical ozone differs from atmospheric ozone in that it is pure and concentrated. This is an important distinction because atmospheric ozone, produced from ultraviolet radiation, is combined with different nitrous oxide and sulfur dioxide products and is harmful. It's not used in medical practice.
Ozone (O3) is produced by the reaction of oxygen atoms (O) with molecular oxygen (O2)- This allotrope (different form) of oxygen possesses unique properties that, while they have yet to be completely defined and understood, have been benefiting clinical practice for years, albeit mostly in Europe. Most of the states in this country have yet to legalize use of the healing powers of this nontoxic molecule.
Of course lack of official acknowledgment within certain political boundaries in no way negates the properties of any natural substance, and that includes ozone. As a molecule containing an excess of energy, ozone manifests bactericidal, virucidal, and fungicidal action, which may make it a treatment of choice under certain conditions and an adjunct to treatment in others.2 Some of its characteristics and applications are described by Dr. Stanley Beyerle, a naturopathic physician who trained with some of the pioneers of ozone research and treatment:
http://www.garynull.com/documents/ozone.htm#1 |
This really nerdy guy I used to work wqith in London who knew a lot about science, always had this dropper bottle with something like 'oxygenated water' or something like that, maybe it was water with ozone it in... I dunno but he paid a lot for it and used to put a few drops in his drinks at break times and claimed it gave him a lot of energy etc...
Same thing?
Anyone know what I'm talking about (I'm not sure I do?) |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
Many feel it to be the most promising, safe, and generally efficacious treatment for major degenerative diseases, from AIDS and chronic fatigue to cancer and arthritis. |
This is classic pseusoscience. Take something that has a very specific application and use and then just extend it out to just about everything. What do Arthritis, chronic fatigue and AIDS even have in common? What is the feasibility of this treatment working on such disparate illnesses? |
Really, JMD? Do tell us, just what is ozone's specific application?
The reason ozone is effective against a wide range of illnesses is that is, among its many effects, an immune system enhancer. While its bactericidal, virucidal, and fungicidal action may not be completely understood, they have nevertheless been documented.
Pseudoscience, eh? The article has 45 footnotes to, mostly to medical journals. |
The politics of AIDS and Ozone
by Thomas Levy, MD
Possibly one of the best therapies ever discovered for AIDS, other infectious diseases, and most degenerative, or chronic, illnesses (including cancer) is oxygen therapy, especially in the form of properly used ozone therapy. The main "drawbacks" in any form of ozone therapy are its simplicity and its minimal cost. The medical industry relies on therapies that are costly and require substantial expertise in their administration. Anything that comes along that appears clinically effective while remaining inexpensive is viewed skeptically, at best. The systematic and ongoing efforts at spreading disinformation and propaganda seem to know no bounds.
In the Federal Register of 2/13/76, the Federal Drug Administration (FDA) asserted that "Ozone is a toxic gas with no known medical uses."(1)
When ozone is formed from ordinary air exposed to electrical discharge or ultraviolet light, other toxic gasses, such as nitrogen oxides, are formed as well. Ozone therapies use ozone generated from pure, medical-grade oxygen. The toxicity question, then, is a potential point of misunderstanding. However, stating ozone has no known medical uses is nothing short of sheer lunacy.
Ozone has been used successfully on scores of diseases in Europe, especially Germany, for over 50 years. Over 6,000 articles on the medical usage's of ozone are in the world literature. Nearly every disease process responds favorably to any therapy that effectively increases cellular oxygen content. Furthermore, the safety profile of proper ozone administration is virtually unparalleled. I had the opportunity to witness multiple intravenous ozone treatments in the office of Dr. Horst Kief in West Germany. It is a very simple, very safe procedure. In a survey of German ozone therapists, 5,579,238 ozone treatments on 384,775 patients demonstrated a side effect rate of only 0.0007%, and the side effects were uniformly minor and not even remotely life-threatening.
more at link |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it would seem the science assistant at my school heard something about this story, but clearly didn't understand it very well. Today, she's been going around the 교무실 spraying water -- just plain tap water -- all over the place. When I asked her why, she said that, "The water can stop sickness, like 신종 flu." It's not water with anything in it, though, it's just tap water in a spray bottle that she normally uses to water the plants in the office.
The best part is that she punctuated her explanation with, "I'm very smart. I'm scientist." |
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