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How are Western women treated in Korea?
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buddy bradley



Joined: 24 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if you can't even spell "Picasso" correctly, what do you expect from the masses?
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canadianpicaso



Joined: 27 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buddy bradley wrote:
Well, if you can't even spell "Picasso" correctly, what do you expect from the masses?


Wow...my first flame. And I thought maybe you guys would go easy a newbie. Sad But I have noticed people on this board being very nitpicky about spelling. Understandable, I guess, since you are English teachers.

And yes, Buddy, I know that Picasso has two "s". I have noticed many nicknames spelt incorrectly, on purpose.
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canadianpicaso



Joined: 27 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Flower wrote:
You should be ok. Yes you will get stared at, and watch yourself around the drunken ajossis as they stumble home. we are magnets for all types of weirdoes and freaks.

Korea has made me feel really conservative about my clothes, which sucks. You do get used to being stared at. I hardly notice it any more.

Try not to get offended when you get called "Russian". Which you will. Many times. Laughing

I haven't dated any Korean men either, but the guys I work with are very polite, and bow when they see me (which is nice!)

If a Korean man slaps you on the ass, slap him back! But I doubt that will happen. Though one girl I know got dong-chimmed "frontally" as she crossed a street. Not a happy camper.


Thanks for the insight Blueflower. I think I would feel a bit awkward if someone bowed to me...does this mean we are expected to bow back?

What is with the Russian thing? Is it just because it is the closest Western nation?

And what is "dong-chimmed"....maybe I should learn some basic Korean phrases before I fly over...
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canadianpicaso wrote:

Does this mean we are expected to bow back?


If it's a greeting from someone you know- it's not a bad idea. Most Koreans that are used to foreigners will simpy say "Hello" or shake hands on first meeting.

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What is with the Russian thing? Is it just because it is the closest Western nation?


No, it's nothing so innocent. There are quite a few Russian women here working as "entertainers" of one form or another. When a Korean man asks if you are a Russian, it's generally equated with being a prostitute.

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And what is "dong-chimmed"?
Ddong chim literally means "poop needle" and it's basically when a Korean kid tries to jam two fingers up your butt. Not pleasant, but generally not done to complete strangers.
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Blue Flower



Joined: 23 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canadianpicaso wrote:
Thanks for the insight Blueflower. I think I would feel a bit awkward if someone bowed to me...does this mean we are expected to bow back?


I don't. And I don't mean, a full on worshipping, touching the ground with your forehead bow. that would be creepy. Just a little bow. And it's nice. If you think about it, it seems strange, but when it happens, it's just nice, as it's a sign of respect. some of your students will bow to you as well.

I asked some of my ex-coworkers about the "Russian" thing, and they were shocked, then tried to conceal that by saying that it is a compliment, as Korean men think Russian women are incredibly beautiful. Which sounds nice in theory - oh he's only calling me a *beep* coz he thinks i look beautiful....
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canadian picasso...listen to Blue Flower...she is The One as far as sage advice for western women living in Korea....you will get a fair picture from her.

As for bowing, look at it like any form of greeting you may have encountered in your life.
Some people back home give a nod of the head. Here they bow and not bowing back is just a bit rude. Like someone offering you his or her hand and you just refusing to shake it (not precisely the same thing of course).

You should not find bowing strange, in fact, unless you have serious problems with social interaction you will not even notice that you and they are bowing to each other after a while.
These bows are just a slight inclination of the head and shoulders, not like blue flower said the full on head on the ground bows that are reserved for ceremonies.
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animalbirdfish



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
Ddong chim literally means "poop needle"


I thought it was 'dungjib' and that it meant something like sh*thouse, the 'dung' being, well, dung and 'jib' being korean for 'house.' That said, the 'poop needle' explanation is believable, too. Anyone know for sure?

I know this is a tad off-topic, but as the OP said, she's looking to learn some basic korean (and for a hagwon kiddie job, this is about as basic as it gets).
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Ody



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Picaso,

You are young, blond, and pretty, (young being key here) expect to be admired, i.e. "gawked at." You'll get used to it though as long as you realize it's a compliment.

Hope this helps.
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ratslash



Joined: 08 May 2003

PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: How are Western women treated in Korea? Reply with quote

canadianpicaso wrote:
I was wondering if some Western gals who are living in Korea could give me some insight as to how they have been treated.

One friend told me that Western women are treated as "tokens" by Korean men. As in, it brings up their social status to date one, but they really have no respect for them.

Another friend told me that if a Korean man pinches your butt, it is socially acceptable. It is just his way of telling you you are attractive and that I should not be offended if this happens to me. Is this true??

I am blonde, petite and fairly attractive, and I will be teaching in a town of roughly 150,000. Can I expect to be gawked at? Or will I be treated just like any other foreigner?

Again, forgive my ignorance. I have no wish to offend...I do not know if these are stereotypes I have been hearing or the truth. Embarassed

Picaso


blonde? small town? you'll be asked numerous times whether you are a *beep* unfortunately!!! just ask emma clare!

a work mate of mine has just been given a really rough time by her korean boyfriend of nearly two years. long story but this is what he said to her:-

"i have been thinking of this for about four months (during this four months she has signed another contract to stay another year in korea to be with him) but because you are not korean i can not marry you. you will never be satisfactory."

"i don't want mixed children."

"when we argued, instead of defending your side of the argument you should have backed down and said that i was right."

and other such lovely things.
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Ody



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: How are Western women treated in Korea? Reply with quote

ratslash wrote:
blonde? small town? you'll be asked numerous times whether you are a *beep* unfortunately!!! just ask emma clare!

a work mate of mine has just been given a really rough time by her korean boyfriend of nearly two years. long story but this is what he said to her:-

"i have been thinking of this for about four months (during this four months she has signed another contract to stay another year in korea to be with him) but because you are not korean i can not marry you. you will never be satisfactory."

"i don't want mixed children."

"when we argued, instead of defending your side of the argument you should have backed down and said that i was right."

and other such lovely things.


Rolling Eyes

and then there are guys with integrity, a backbone, and some pride. not an easy bill to fit in any country. but this is a digression, you're not coming here to find a spouse are you?
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Donghae



Joined: 24 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, ratslash, like there are no men who are assholes in any of our home countries??


I'm not female, so granted not the best to judge here, but if it's any help I've had several female friends and relatives visit me when I was in Korea, travel there with me since I've been in Japan or go/come from there before/after visiting me in Japan. None has ever reported any problems and nearly all of them have commented that they actually felt safer than in their home country.

Also, I remember talking to a woman I worked with last year who reckoned that some other women she'd met had racist issues influencing some of their complaints. She said she'd more likely get her ass pinched in bars back home in Australia or get lewd comments about her body etc, and that whereas there it'd be thought of as unacceptable but just the bad apples, she found some western women here would react more strongly to even lesser things from local men and then claim "they're all like that here." She added that in their "superiority complex paranoia" as she put it, they'd conveniently forget the same or more likely worse things happening back home. Admittedly, this is a Japan story but if there is anything in what she was saying, then I'm sure it's applicable to Korea also as in my experience expat oversensitivity is about the same in both countries.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 5:26 am    Post subject: Re: How are Western women treated in Korea? Reply with quote

ratslash wrote:
a work mate of mine has just been given a really rough time by her korean boyfriend of nearly two years. long story but this is what he said to her:-

"i have been thinking of this for about four months (during this four months she has signed another contract to stay another year in korea to be with him) but because you are not korean i can not marry you. you will never be satisfactory."

"i don't want mixed children."

"when we argued, instead of defending your side of the argument you should have backed down and said that i was right."

and other such lovely things.


Shocked

If it took her TWO YEARS to find out how he felt about her not being Korean or how he felt about the possibility of them having mixed children, then she's the stupid one, not the guy.
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Ody



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: How are Western women treated in Korea? Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
ratslash wrote:
a work mate of mine has just been given a really rough time by her korean boyfriend of nearly two years. long story but this is what he said to her:-

"i have been thinking of this for about four months (during this four months she has signed another contract to stay another year in korea to be with him) but because you are not korean i can not marry you. you will never be satisfactory."

"i don't want mixed children."

"when we argued, instead of defending your side of the argument you should have backed down and said that i was right."

and other such lovely things.


Shocked

If it took her TWO YEARS to find out how he felt about her not being Korean or how he felt about the possibility of them having mixed children, then she's the stupid one, not the guy.


Thank you Corporal, for saying what I didn't have the nerve to!
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: How are Western women treated in Korea? Reply with quote

Ody wrote:
Corporal wrote:
ratslash wrote:
a work mate of mine has just been given a really rough time by her korean boyfriend of nearly two years. long story but this is what he said to her:-

"i have been thinking of this for about four months (during this four months she has signed another contract to stay another year in korea to be with him) but because you are not korean i can not marry you. you will never be satisfactory."

"i don't want mixed children."

"when we argued, instead of defending your side of the argument you should have backed down and said that i was right."

and other such lovely things.


Shocked

If it took her TWO YEARS to find out how he felt about her not being Korean or how he felt about the possibility of them having mixed children, then she's the stupid one, not the guy.


Thank you Corporal, for saying what I didn't have the nerve to!


Wink

Yeah, obviously the guy's no catch, but who the hell doesn't figure these things out within an hour of casual conversation with another person, especially one of a different race? Sorry, that just stumps me.
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canadianpicaso



Joined: 27 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:37 am    Post subject: Re: How are Western women treated in Korea? Reply with quote

ratslash wrote:


blonde? small town? you'll be asked numerous times whether you are a *beep* unfortunately!!! just ask emma clare!

a work mate of mine has just been given a really rough time by her korean boyfriend of nearly two years. long story but this is what he said to her:-

"i have been thinking of this for about four months (during this four months she has signed another contract to stay another year in korea to be with him) but because you are not korean i can not marry you. you will never be satisfactory."

"i don't want mixed children."

"when we argued, instead of defending your side of the argument you should have backed down and said that i was right."

and other such lovely things.


That is a pretty sad story. I hope your friend is doing okay. But as others have already pointed out - a Western man could have done the exact same thing. You will find a**holes all around the globe.

Which leads me to wonder...there is this sterotype about Western men dating Asian women. And from reading some of the postings here on Dave's, it sounds like alot of men are in relationships with Korean women. Is it just as common to see Korean men dating foreign women? It doesn't sound like it...I wonder why...
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