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Racial rethinking as Obama visits China

 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:59 pm    Post subject: Racial rethinking as Obama visits China Reply with quote

Racial rethinking as Obama visits
Increasing diversity, born out of boom, forces Chinese to confront old prejudices

By Keith B. Richburg
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, November 15, 2009



SHANGHAI -- As a mixed-race girl growing up in this most cosmopolitan of mainland Chinese cities, 20-year-old Lou Jing said she never experienced much discrimination -- curiosity and questions, but never hostility.

So nothing prepared Lou, whose father is a black American, for the furor that erupted in late August when she beat out thousands of other young women on "Go! Oriental Angel," a televised talent show. Angry Internet posters called her a "black chimpanzee" and worse. One called for all blacks in China to be deported.

As the country gets ready to welcome the first African American U.S. president, whose first official visit here starts Sunday, the Chinese are confronting their attitudes toward race, including some deeply held prejudices about black people. Many appeared stunned that Americans had elected a black man, and President Obama's visit has underscored Chinese ambivalence about the growing numbers of blacks living here.

"It's sad," Lou said, her eyes welling up as she recalled her experience. "If I had a face that was half-Chinese and half-white, I wouldn't have gotten that criticism. . . . Before the contest, I didn't realize these kinds of attitudes existed."

As China has expanded its economic ties with Africa -- trade between them reached $107 billion last year -- the number of Africans living here has exploded. Tens of thousands have flocked to the south, where they are putting down roots, establishing communities, marrying Chinese women and having children.

In the process, they are making tiny pockets of urban China more racially diverse -- and forcing the Chinese to deal with issues of racial discrimination. In the southern city of Guangzhou, where residents refer to one downtown neighborhood as Chocolate City, local newspapers have been filled in recent months with stories detailing discrimination and alleging police harassment against the African community.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111401147_pf.html
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Racial rethinking as Obama visits China Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
local newspapers have been filled in recent months with stories detailing discrimination and alleging police harassment against the African community.


its a relief to see China has an unbiased and objective viewpoint in this instance.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Racial rethinking as Obama visits China Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Adventurer wrote:
local newspapers have been filled in recent months with stories detailing discrimination and alleging police harassment against the African community.


its a relief to see China has an unbiased and objective viewpoint in this instance.


Come on be fair, Name a 'Western country' that hasn't had simmilar racial problems for the first 50 - 100 years (or still ongoing) due to immigration. Heard of the KKK? The BNP?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Racial rethinking as Obama visits China Reply with quote

DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:
Junior wrote:
Adventurer wrote:
local newspapers have been filled in recent months with stories detailing discrimination and alleging police harassment against the African community.


its a relief to see China has an unbiased and objective viewpoint in this instance.


Come on be fair, Name a 'Western country' that hasn't had simmilar racial problems for the first 50 - 100 years (or still ongoing) due to immigration. Heard of the KKK? The BNP?



It's good if China has people speaking out against the racism. I would like to see Korea do more of that. The world is extremely mixed in comparison to the past. There are so many people in China more and more with African or black fathers and Chinese mothers, just as we have in the US so many black fathers and white mothers and gradually more black mothers and white fathers, though that's slow in coming.... It's hard for people to content with racial mixing. Some feel threatened by that and respond with hatred or violence.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The majority of China is still backwards. Of course they have problems with racism.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly, racism is a reality in all countries that have a minority population.

For example, minorities such as Asians and blacks in many "backwards" parts of Western countries such as the US, UK and Australia still face significant racism on a daily basis.

And in most cases, whites have it a lot easier than blacks in many Asian countries. Sometimes, whites get benefits that not even native Asians get.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
The majority of China is still backwards. Of course they have problems with racism.


Cultural / societally backwards from a WESTERN PERSPECTIVE - yes.

Just because we see our societies as more advanced, doesn't mean everyone else does.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we should all hold tight until more results come out of the scientific community and genome project. We may find racists to be justified!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more area where China is joining the modern world and they are showing some of the same hang-ups that the rest of the world has shown in comparable situations. Big surprise.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:
Kuros wrote:
The majority of China is still backwards. Of course they have problems with racism.


Cultural / societally backwards from a WESTERN PERSPECTIVE - yes.

Just because we see our societies as more advanced, doesn't mean everyone else does.


I've done a fair amount of chatting with Chinese people in Korea thru language exchanges. These are Chinese studying at universities here in Seoul. They agree that the nongmin (farmers) pretty much live on a different planet as the urban 'middle class'. One girl freaked out cuz she had to live in Jeonju and said it was boring and too rustic, she was from Shenyang up in Dongbei.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Gil wrote:
DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:
Kuros wrote:
The majority of China is still backwards. Of course they have problems with racism.


Cultural / societally backwards from a WESTERN PERSPECTIVE - yes.

Just because we see our societies as more advanced, doesn't mean everyone else does.


I've done a fair amount of chatting with Chinese people in Korea thru language exchanges. These are Chinese studying at universities here in Seoul. They agree that the nongmin (farmers) pretty much live on a different planet as the urban 'middle class'. One girl freaked out cuz she had to live in Jeonju and said it was boring and too rustic, she was from Shenyang up in Dongbei.


That's what I meant. The nongmin still live in a strange neo-Feudalism on state-granted land. Most of these nongmin, and numerically most of Chinese are these nongmin, have little experience with foreigners if any at all. Their education level is low.

How could they not be racist?
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