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rt
Joined: 27 May 2009
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 Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject: purpose of student evaluations at your university??? |
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We can print out the results of our evaluations at the end of every semester her at my university. But we aren't told what the "average" teacher evaluation score is (by category or overall), or what is considered "adequate." Just some meaningless numbers from Likert scales. We don't even know what the range of the scores are, eg, 0 to 5, 0 to 10, etc.
Why don't they (the administration) provide feedback so that we can learn what our weaknesses are (and then work to improve the weak areas)? Wouldn't you think that this would be one of the purposes of the evaluations? It seems that evaluations are only used as a means for not renewing someone's contract (justified or not), and not for purposes of self improvement. What does this say about Korean management style? |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| At most places 4/5 is considered adequate. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| At most places 4/5 is considered adequate. |
Our evaluations are a bit more intense than that. Numbers vary a lot. We can actually see our ranking compared to others in the department, and other departments (although names aren't given).
My evaluations were the worst they've ever been.... you know why? My student comments were filled with, "He gives too much homework." I began requiring journal writing, and they hated it so much, they got even during evaluations. |
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anynag
Joined: 01 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| I began requiring journal writing, and they hated it so much, they got even during evaluations. |
...which is why they're meaningless and contain no useful 'criticisms' that could provide constructive feedback and possibly improve the quality of instruction.
The 'professor' who makes the students study, is strict and expects them to learn something typically receives a low eval. While the 'professor' who jokes, gives little homework and grades easy gets the high marks. To put it more succinctly, those 'professors', who kiss the students' derrieres and edutain them, tend to enjoy higher evaluation ratings than those instructors who have academic standards and stick to them. Just my two won. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Have you discussed this with your administration? Suggested it? |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| anynag wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| I began requiring journal writing, and they hated it so much, they got even during evaluations. |
...which is why they're meaningless and contain no useful 'criticisms' that could provide constructive feedback and possibly improve the quality of instruction.
The 'professor' who makes the students study, is strict and expects them to learn something typically receives a low eval. While the 'professor' who jokes, gives little homework and grades easy gets the high marks. To put it more succinctly, those 'professors', who kiss the students' derrieres and edutain them, tend to enjoy higher evaluation ratings than those instructors who have academic standards and stick to them. Just my two won. |
Right, now imagine this in a public middle school. I just found out yesterday that my middle school students are evaluating me, as they were handing out the sheets. I have no problem with professional evaluations, especially those that are used to help you do a better job as an educator, but I am slowly learning that professional and educator are oxymorons in Korean educational culture.
Do the Korean public school teachers get evaluated by their students? ARe we ever asked to evaluate the Ko-teachers? What a carnival of posturing this place is. |
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Tamada
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| calicoe wrote: |
| anynag wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| I began requiring journal writing, and they hated it so much, they got even during evaluations. |
...which is why they're meaningless and contain no useful 'criticisms' that could provide constructive feedback and possibly improve the quality of instruction.
The 'professor' who makes the students study, is strict and expects them to learn something typically receives a low eval. While the 'professor' who jokes, gives little homework and grades easy gets the high marks. To put it more succinctly, those 'professors', who kiss the students' derrieres and edutain them, tend to enjoy higher evaluation ratings than those instructors who have academic standards and stick to them. Just my two won. |
Right, now imagine this in a public middle school. I just found out yesterday that my middle school students are evaluating me, as they were handing out the sheets. I have no problem with professional evaluations, especially those that are used to help you do a better job as an educator, but I am slowly learning that professional and educator are oxymorons in Korean educational culture.
Do the Korean public school teachers get evaluated by their students? . |
Yes they do. The Korean teachers at my school were complaining about it. Supposedly this is a new policy put in place this year by the Education Ministry. |
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Tamada
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| anynag wrote: |
| The 'professor' who makes the students study, is strict and expects them to learn something typically receives a low eval. While the 'professor' who jokes, gives little homework and grades easy gets the high marks. To put it more succinctly, those 'professors', who kiss the students' derrieres and edutain them, tend to enjoy higher evaluation ratings than those instructors who have academic standards and stick to them. Just my two won. |
It is a little more complex than that but yes I do know a few 'soft touches' working at universities,who edutain by basically playing youtube all day, don't penalise students for being absent/missing tests, give easy grades and let the students walk all over them. Puppets!  |
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withnail
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Every school's got one of these. Ours is called "The Teflon Don" cos nothing sticks. No kind of criticism that is... |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| anynag wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| I began requiring journal writing, and they hated it so much, they got even during evaluations. |
...which is why they're meaningless and contain no useful 'criticisms' that could provide constructive feedback and possibly improve the quality of instruction.
The 'professor' who makes the students study, is strict and expects them to learn something typically receives a low eval. While the 'professor' who jokes, gives little homework and grades easy gets the high marks. To put it more succinctly, those 'professors', who kiss the students' derrieres and edutain them, tend to enjoy higher evaluation ratings than those instructors who have academic standards and stick to them. Just my two won. |
I can't disagree with you, anynag.
Luckily, the administration doesn't seem to give them much thought here, unless they find other reasons to not like you... in the past, this has caused the renewal committee to look at the numbers more seriously. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| calicoe wrote: |
| anynag wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| I began requiring journal writing, and they hated it so much, they got even during evaluations. |
...which is why they're meaningless and contain no useful 'criticisms' that could provide constructive feedback and possibly improve the quality of instruction.
The 'professor' who makes the students study, is strict and expects them to learn something typically receives a low eval. While the 'professor' who jokes, gives little homework and grades easy gets the high marks. To put it more succinctly, those 'professors', who kiss the students' derrieres and edutain them, tend to enjoy higher evaluation ratings than those instructors who have academic standards and stick to them. Just my two won. |
Right, now imagine this in a public middle school. I just found out yesterday that my middle school students are evaluating me, as they were handing out the sheets. I have no problem with professional evaluations, especially those that are used to help you do a better job as an educator, but I am slowly learning that professional and educator are oxymorons in Korean educational culture.
Do the Korean public school teachers get evaluated by their students? . |
Yes they do. The Korean teachers at my school were complaining about it. Supposedly this is a new policy put in place this year by the Education Ministry. |
Well then you are indicating that they knew about it far in advance. I knew nothing about this until yesterday. I now understand why they have been trying to buddy up to the students at every turn, and undermining me behind my back. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
My evaluations were the worst they've ever been.... you know why? My student comments were filled with, "He gives too much homework." I began requiring journal writing, and they hated it so much, they got even during evaluations. |
Giving homework is not the problem; the problem stems from a lack of understanding. We have to make the students see exactly why we are doing what we are and then, show them that they are progressively improving. Doing this really snuffs out all of the negativity towards homework. Constant, quality feedback goes a long way in helping students see the bigger picture. Homework must also have a clear goal and be a means to a specific end, not given simply to facilitate assessment. |
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rt
Joined: 27 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, I have asked the administration about the possibility of getting anonymous faculty evaluation averages, minimum acceptable evaluation scores, "goal" evaluation scores, etc., but I didn't get a reply from them.................... Go figure! |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
My evaluations were the worst they've ever been.... you know why? My student comments were filled with, "He gives too much homework." I began requiring journal writing, and they hated it so much, they got even during evaluations. |
Giving homework is not the problem; the problem stems from a lack of understanding. We have to make the students see exactly why we are doing what we are and then, show them that they are progressively improving. Doing this really snuffs out all of the negativity towards homework. Constant, quality feedback goes a long way in helping students see the bigger picture. Homework must also have a clear goal and be a means to a specific end, not given simply to facilitate assessment. |
Yep. I pile on the homework, but I also explain the rationale behind each assignment. |
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