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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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The Jazz music.
Baseball. |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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incredible diversity of people, cultures, food, you name it.
acceptance and even celebration of NON conformity.
and though this is changing for the worse since the Bush years, it's still one of the few countries in the world, where you don't have to produce something idiotic like an ID on demand from any law enforcement officer and the law offers significant protections and recourse to an aggrevied citizen.
and of course. American football  |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| I like that a lot of people don't like the US. |
Why? |
Because I get enjoyment in other people's suffering. |
How cool and edgy of you. |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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My most contentious statement. Often US foreign actions have been based on protecting oil, money, or influence. But sometimes the US gets involved because it's the right thing to do, and they send troops or implement sanctions over humanitarian or philanthropic motives. When was the last time China lifted a finger internationally for anything but its own benefit? |
This is a really interesting point. It's something that I'm proud of in a sense, but also something that I'm not. It's a double-edged sword: We always benefit from a bad situation and a bad situation always benefits us. Ending Nazism was cool and all, but we made a fortune. Ending the democidal scourge of Communism looks great on a resume, but we literally made 3 quarters of the world, the poorest parts of the world, our b***h. Defending Jerusalem? Guaranteed Mid-East enclave and co-beneficial trade.
I won't say that the war in the Mid-East is about oil. It sure as Hell ain't about democratizing the Pashtuns. Believe whatever you want. We got it all going on, which is the most important in your eyes is really only important to you.
My mentor in university, a Nigerian, has a brother (one of many) who once told him that the reason why he prefers Americans to the British is that Americans always leave a place better than they found it. I can agree with that. We might make a lot of money from bad situations, but its always due to some sage statesmanship, and not from the bad situations themselves. |
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pr1ncejeffie
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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I was born and raised in NYC...
The food.
Diversity. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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The emphasis on individuality over fitting in. Growing up, we always had those cheesy posters in our classrooms with (for example) a field of thousands of yellow tulips and only one red tulip. Or there were always sayings about loving yourself no matter what others said. I may be a "hippie" but I really do think kids should be taught at very young ages that it's okay to stand out and we shouldn't all look or think the same.
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This is an illusion. In the west we pay lip service to "indivisulaity" but the reality is that no matter where you want to go or what you want to be a part of there is a status quo, call them cliques...whatever and if you don't tow the party line of afforementioned groups you'll soon learn the real value of your individulaity. I had many friends who were hippie bongsters, freedom children, hemp lovers....etc....who eventually graduated from college and went on to conform to whatever socioeconomic group, professional cartel they desired. Hemp children who wished to be lawyers learned how to wear suits and not act so dependent upon the weed. Others followed accordingly. Guys who wanted to date a gla who didn't look like she'd slept in the same clothes for weeks had to clean up their acts. Conformity is a part of life. Other than that you can just be a loner and an outcast. I think you might be confusing a person's college years to the rest of our relevant lives. |
Hmmm, then I guess you know some pretty different people than myself. Almost all of my parents friends (and many of my teachers) were and still are amazing individuals who didn't sacrifice everything for "The Man." |
So do all your friends wear Birkenstocks to work at Trader Joe's? I knew a guy who became a lawyer who paid out the arse to have his old college day tattoos removed from his legs because at the gym some of his colleagues reacted adversely to them. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
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The emphasis on individuality over fitting in. Growing up, we always had those cheesy posters in our classrooms with (for example) a field of thousands of yellow tulips and only one red tulip. Or there were always sayings about loving yourself no matter what others said. I may be a "hippie" but I really do think kids should be taught at very young ages that it's okay to stand out and we shouldn't all look or think the same.
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This is an illusion. In the west we pay lip service to "indivisulaity" but the reality is that no matter where you want to go or what you want to be a part of there is a status quo, call them cliques...whatever and if you don't tow the party line of afforementioned groups you'll soon learn the real value of your individulaity. I had many friends who were hippie bongsters, freedom children, hemp lovers....etc....who eventually graduated from college and went on to conform to whatever socioeconomic group, professional cartel they desired. Hemp children who wished to be lawyers learned how to wear suits and not act so dependent upon the weed. Others followed accordingly. Guys who wanted to date a gla who didn't look like she'd slept in the same clothes for weeks had to clean up their acts. Conformity is a part of life. Other than that you can just be a loner and an outcast. I think you might be confusing a person's college years to the rest of our relevant lives. |
But I think there IS some truth to individualism in the States. Lots of random scenarios get posted on this site (i.e., what should I do about my K-gf's dad? What should I do if some guy is claiming blood money? What should I do when, etc.) and people seem to know EXACTLY how Koreans will operate in each situation.
Who knows what an American would do in most situations? There is no hive mind/thinking similar to what people on these boards imply Koreans have. |
f course there is some truth to it and Americans are far more tolerant and accepting than your average Korean. The point I was making that the higher you aspire up the socioeconomic ladder the more you will have to conform to the status quo of the corporate culture in which you live. If you want to wear hemp clothes and work at Barnes & Noble as a cashier for the rest of your life then knock yourself out. Of course stepping back I might be talking to lots of people who in fact have no idea of what I am talking about (without trying to sound condecending) because they've never been confronted with a "corporate culture" that amounted to anything. Here's a bit of food to chew on. Dress up like a flower boy/girl not wearing any deoderant, with birkies and a hemp top and go interview for a job as a Pharmaceudical sales rep. See how much of your individuality you can hold onto and get the job. Oh well there's always Blimpie.  |
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yeti08
Joined: 04 Nov 2009
Location: Anyang - Pyeongchon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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* Diversity/Food Choices
* Microbrews
* Clothing that fits (i am 200cm tall)
* Cheese
* Space
* Greenery and vastness of it America has
* Driving (hate doing it all the time, but i do miss it)
* Seeing the stars (someone else mentioned this, couldn't agree more)
* Real sandwiches and hamburgers
* Small towns
* American Football
thats all kthxbye |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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f course there is some truth to it and Americans are far more tolerant and accepting than your average Korean. The point I was making that the higher you aspire up the socioeconomic ladder the more you will have to conform to the status quo of the corporate culture in which you live. If you want to wear hemp clothes and work at Barnes & Noble as a cashier for the rest of your life then knock yourself out. Of course stepping back I might be talking to lots of people who in fact have no idea of what I am talking about (without trying to sound condecending) because they've never been confronted with a "corporate culture" that amounted to anything. Here's a bit of food to chew on. Dress up like a flower boy/girl not wearing any deoderant, with birkies and a hemp top and go interview for a job as a Pharmaceudical sales rep. See how much of your individuality you can hold onto and get the job. Oh well there's always Blimpie. |
Haha, Blimpie, as in the burger place?
Let me first preface my post with this: I may not completely understand what you are saying so I apologize in advance if I am not directly addressing your point.
Anyway, I've worked in financial services in the past--where the job is all about image and conforming. I had to wear a suit and tie everyday (I'm normally a jeans and T-shirt kinda guy) and schmooze with all the clients about yachts and expensive watches and things I could not afford or really care about. But did it at all change who I really am? Don't think it did. And I worked for the top financial advisors in the OC. Outside of work, we'd watch ball games and talk about all sorts of ridiculous things that you'd never expect life-long corporate men would talk about or believe.
To me, it sounds like you're saying any serious career will turn you into some sort of 'company man'. And I don't agree with that at all. It might affect the kind of people you have in your life, but it doesn't mean that it will change who you are--which extends beyond your wardrobe (I'm referencing your going to an interview in ridiculous clothing).
I grew up in Palo Alto--a small town home to tons of ex-hippies who struck it rich. I remember going to friends' parties in middle school. Their parents would be surgeons or laywers, etc. and as unbelievable as this might sound, they'd be hosting for their kids and they'd buy loads of booze for us. It wasn't that uncommon an experience for me back then.
I don't know. It just seems to me like what you are essentially saying is: "Moving up the corporate ladder and wearing a suit = giving up who you are." |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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f course there is some truth to it and Americans are far more tolerant and accepting than your average Korean. The point I was making that the higher you aspire up the socioeconomic ladder the more you will have to conform to the status quo of the corporate culture in which you live. If you want to wear hemp clothes and work at Barnes & Noble as a cashier for the rest of your life then knock yourself out. Of course stepping back I might be talking to lots of people who in fact have no idea of what I am talking about (without trying to sound condecending) because they've never been confronted with a "corporate culture" that amounted to anything. Here's a bit of food to chew on. Dress up like a flower boy/girl not wearing any deoderant, with birkies and a hemp top and go interview for a job as a Pharmaceudical sales rep. See how much of your individuality you can hold onto and get the job. Oh well there's always Blimpie. |
Haha, Blimpie, as in the burger place?
Let me first preface my post with this: I may not completely understand what you are saying so I apologize in advance if I am not directly addressing your point.
Anyway, I've worked in financial services in the past--where the job is all about image and conforming. I had to wear a suit and tie everyday (I'm normally a jeans and T-shirt kinda guy) and schmooze with all the clients about yachts and expensive watches and things I could not afford or really care about. But did it at all change who I really am? Don't think it did. And I worked for the top financial advisors in the OC. Outside of work, we'd watch ball games and talk about all sorts of ridiculous things that you'd never expect life-long corporate men would talk about or believe.
To me, it sounds like you're saying any serious career will turn you into some sort of 'company man'. And I don't agree with that at all. It might affect the kind of people you have in your life, but it doesn't mean that it will change who you are--which extends beyond your wardrobe (I'm referencing your going to an interview in ridiculous clothing).
I grew up in Palo Alto--a small town home to tons of ex-hippies who struck it rich. I remember going to friends' parties in middle school. Their parents would be surgeons or laywers, etc. and as unbelievable as this might sound, they'd be hosting for their kids and they'd buy loads of booze for us. It wasn't that uncommon an experience for me back then.
I don't know. It just seems to me like what you are essentially saying is: "Moving up the corporate ladder and wearing a suit = giving up who you are." |
California really doesn't count because it's in "another world" . I would agree with you in that the rules generally don't apply. Let me give you a more relevant example. A guy from Arkansas is a really good student, gets good grades and goes to an Ivy league school (I know a couple that it happened to). When the afformentioned gets there, there are going to be certain standards that guy is gonna have to conform to if he wants to be accepted. Sure there are lots of cliques but few that would welcome a person whose lifestyle and upbringing would be regarded as "redneck" to the locals. Ask journalists who have anything but the "standard american accent" who want to step up into a network job. My pont is that no matter what you do or wherever you go (except maybe California) you are going to have to change some things about yourself depending on where you want to go and what your expectations are. Status quo's have been arpound for as long as I can remember. I don't think they've went anywhere. |
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Joe666
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
Location: Jesus it's hot down here!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| California really doesn't count because it's in "another world" . I would agree with you in that the rules generally don't apply. Let me give you a more relevant example. A guy from Arkansas is a really good student, gets good grades and goes to an Ivy league school (I know a couple that it happened to). When the afformentioned gets there, there are going to be certain standards that guy is gonna have to conform to if he wants to be accepted. Sure there are lots of cliques but few that would welcome a person whose lifestyle and upbringing would be regarded as "redneck" to the locals. Ask journalists who have anything but the "standard american accent" who want to step up into a network job. My pont is that no matter what you do or wherever you go (except maybe California) you are going to have to change some things about yourself depending on where you want to go and what your expectations are. Status quo's have been arpound for as long as I can remember. I don't think they've went anywhere. |
I don't believe Cali is really any different than anywhere else in the U.S. Yes you will have to comform to a certain degree, but as Mr. Bloop said, it's about what is in your head. So what if you have to wear a suit to work. After work, put on the S+M attire and go wild. I personally know surgeons who are "inked up" and attend biker rallies on their Harleys. Social rules and stereotypes have loosened up quite a bit in the U.S. over the last 40-50 years. I believe it's a good thing. |
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IamBabo
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:52 am Post subject: US |
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Your right to self-defense and accountability for your actions..
Oh and Funny Bones!!! |
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ty7180
Joined: 02 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| Concealed Carry Permits! |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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I've noticed that this "like" list is shorter than the "dislike" list but I've been looking at them side by side and I think this is why.
People who post about thing that they like, list foods, places to go, and sports that they can play and/or watch.
And then, there's the dislike list. No one dislikes the Grand Canyon, instead, more than half of their dislikes included the following:
Dudes who...
Girls who... (more often girls who won't...)
Rednecks
Snobs
Christians
Atheists
liberals
republicans
democrats
right wingers
left wingers
reality TV people
gay people
people who take psych meds
bipolar people (would you prefer that the dont take their meds?)
Fox news zombies
Liberal media junkies
insecure people
close-minded people
x people
y people
z people
In short, the haters are down on people.
Kudos to those who posted thier appreciation for America's diversity. |
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jmuns
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
Location: earth
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| 300+ million people, 391 national parks, 200+ short but great years of history, 50 states, 6 time zones, 4 major sports leagues (NFL,MLB,NBA,NHL), 2 oceans, all in 1 country |
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