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misher
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Look, I'm not from the states and I like to see hte USA lose just as much as pretty much every other country in the world when it comes to a major sports tournament. They are however getting better and they are competitive. That's not bad considering soccer is what? Less popular than poker among American adults?
There are many European sides that the USA could compete against. Maybe not 10 years ago but now is different. In my opinion their TEAM is just as competitive as England (England has far superior individual talent) although most English I know would never admit it. |
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scotty12347
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I strongly dislike the England national team and all the hype that comes with it, but the USA team? Come on... |
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JMO
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Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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If you look at what England had to get through to get to the world cup in 2006 I could also argue that they get a free pass. 2 teams out of wales, northern Ireland, poland, austria and ajerbaijain?????
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I think Poland and Austria would qualify basically every year in Asia.
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| I also do realize that there are "groups of death" in the qualifying stages but they are the exception. |
Yet, they never occur in Asia or north America..never.
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| France, Romania, Serbia, Lithuania, Austria, Faroe Islands |
Again, my opinion, but Romania, Serbia and Austria would be there or thereabouts every year in Asia. Especially Serbia right now and typically Romania are good. In the last twenty years they have produced more world class players than all of Asia combined.
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| Also, Honduras isn't a joke team and I would go out on a limb and say the USA is better than a lot of European teams. Same with Mexico. Certainly not the elite Germany, Italy etc, but on par with Czech republic, England, Croatia, Sweden, Portugal etc. |
You are dreaming. Firstly, Italy is not in the elite any more. Secondly, I know it is hard to compare international teams with the lack of meaningful game. In saying this though, just on a pure talent standpoint, most of the big European teams blow USA out of the water when it comes to talent. In fast Ireland has more top players in Europe than the states. England is in a whole different stratosphere. Read the England team sheet, tell me the clubs they play for and then go do the same thing with the USA one. Think about it.
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| South America having 4 is also fair. |
South America should get 5 or 6, with NA getting 2.
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| In my opinion their TEAM is just as competitive as England (England has far superior individual talent) although most English I know would never admit it. |
What does this even mean? the two teams basically never play each other. Talent is all we have tojudge it on. |
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highdials5
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| In my opinion their TEAM is just as competitive as England (England has far superior individual talent) although most English I know would never admit it. |
I'd never admit it because it simply isn't true. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
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ATlasIAm
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Sausolito
Joined: 28 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| lol dry your eyes ireland, roy keane (as much as I hate that cretin) makes all you moaners look silly with his interview yesterday. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| lol dry your eyes ireland, roy keane (as much as I hate that cretin) makes all you moaners look silly with his interview yesterday. |
Without this Keane handball against Ireland they might have never have been able to play France
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9fx4ipF4Q
btw-what's the penalty for!!!?? |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: |
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I would put money on an under of three points total for both teams in the upcoming world cup unless they get lucky enough to be in a group with New Zealand, the USA or Honduras...the other joke teams.
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If you look at what England had to get through to get to the world cup in 2006 I could also argue that they get a free pass. 2 teams out of wales, northern Ireland, poland, austria and ajerbaijain????? |
Maybe, but in 2002 England was in the 'group of death' with Argentina, Sweden, and Paraguay, so perhaps it all evens out in the end. |
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rusty1983
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| misher wrote: |
If you look at what England had to get through to get to the world cup in 2006 I could also argue that they get a free pass. 2 teams out of wales, northern Ireland, poland, austria and ajerbaijain?????
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I think Poland and Austria would qualify basically every year in Asia.
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| I also do realize that there are "groups of death" in the qualifying stages but they are the exception. |
Yet, they never occur in Asia or north America..never.
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| France, Romania, Serbia, Lithuania, Austria, Faroe Islands |
Again, my opinion, but Romania, Serbia and Austria would be there or thereabouts every year in Asia. Especially Serbia right now and typically Romania are good. In the last twenty years they have produced more world class players than all of Asia combined.
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| Also, Honduras isn't a joke team and I would go out on a limb and say the USA is better than a lot of European teams. Same with Mexico. Certainly not the elite Germany, Italy etc, but on par with Czech republic, England, Croatia, Sweden, Portugal etc. |
You are dreaming. Firstly, Italy is not in the elite any more. Secondly, I know it is hard to compare international teams with the lack of meaningful game. In saying this though, just on a pure talent standpoint, most of the big European teams blow USA out of the water when it comes to talent. In fast Ireland has more top players in Europe than the states. England is in a whole different stratosphere. Read the England team sheet, tell me the clubs they play for and then go do the same thing with the USA one. Think about it.
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| South America having 4 is also fair. |
South America should get 5 or 6, with NA getting 2.
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| In my opinion their TEAM is just as competitive as England (England has far superior individual talent) although most English I know would never admit it. |
What does this even mean? the two teams basically never play each other. Talent is all we have tojudge it on. |
Regarding the England and USA team sheets I think youre missing the point. England do have some immensely talented footballers but there has been a culture of them being fannies when it comes down to it. On paper, yeah, theyre miles better. But I wouldnt bet against USA beating us when it came down to it. Hopefully Capello can change the culture somewhat otherwise all the money and hype in the world isnt gonna get us past the quarter finals. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Regarding the England and USA team sheets I think youre missing the point. England do have some immensely talented footballers but there has been a culture of them being fannies when it comes down to it. On paper, yeah, theyre miles better. But I wouldnt bet against USA beating us when it came down to it. Hopefully Capello can change the culture somewhat otherwise all the money and hype in the world isnt gonna get us past the quarter finals. |
Thank you. The funny thing is, most of my friends from England agree with the above assessment. They also say it's just hard to acknowledge that the USA (because it's the USA!!) can be competitive now with 2nd tier teams unlike 10 years ago. People jsut hate to see the USA do well at this tournament because this is the oneglobal sport that they don't dominate in. It's hard to admit it but they are catching up.
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| Maybe, but in 2002 England was in the 'group of death' with Argentina, Sweden, and Paraguay, so perhaps it all evens out in the end. |
Fair enough, but I'm talking about getting to the WC in the first place. Some of the qualifying groups in Europe aren't exactly some guantlet of death and should be a cake walk for most of the good teams. What happens is that these teams (see England losing to North Ireland in a lead up to 2006) flake out and don't pick up the points that should be "guaranteed." FIFA giftwraps a lot of qualifying places for European clubs as well. It may not be as easy than for say Japan and South Korea, but isn't exactly like this HUGE imbalance and injustice.
It is hard to have this discussion because it is basically assumed that 3rd rate teams in Europe will absolutely cream any latin american team that isn't Brasil or Argentina. That is simply not true anymore. Costa Rica and Honduras are not bad teams but it is guaranteed that they will have a group of death (it happens every WC) and they will be dispatched. These teams can stand with a lot of 3rd rate (and maybe even some 2nd rate) European teams. So can Australia, SK and Japan. The gap isn't as big anymore. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Regarding the England and USA team sheets I think youre missing the point. England do have some immensely talented footballers but there has been a culture of them being fannies when it comes down to it. On paper, yeah, theyre miles better. But I wouldnt bet against USA beating us when it came down to it. Hopefully Capello can change the culture somewhat otherwise all the money and hype in the world isnt gonna get us past the quarter finals. |
Thank you. The funny thing is, most of my friends from England agree with the above assessment. They also say it's just hard to acknowledge that the USA (because it's the USA!!) can be competitive now with 2nd tier teams unlike 10 years ago. People jsut hate to see the USA do well at this tournament because this is the oneglobal sport that they don't dominate in. It's hard to admit it but they are catching up.
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This, however, I disagree with. The USA hardly dominates all the global sports. Cricket? Rugby? The US do seem to be catching up though. As football grows in popularity there they will continue to do so. |
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the ireland
Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| lol dry your eyes ireland, roy keane (as much as I hate that cretin) makes all you moaners look silly with his interview yesterday. |
I am a big supporter of keane (and agree with his decision to leavie saipan) but he made himself look like a fool yesterday. He didn't need to say anything and hemade himself look like a crying child, he needs to get over 2002 |
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the ireland
Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: |
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| lol dry your eyes ireland, roy keane (as much as I hate that cretin) makes all you moaners look silly with his interview yesterday. |
Without this Keane handball against Ireland they might have never have been able to play France
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9fx4ipF4Q
btw-what's the penalty for!!!?? |
that was never a penalty however, this is where your lack of football knowledge lets you down, we went on to beat georgia 2-1 in that game, even if you were to dissallow the penatly we would have gotten the draw and finished 2 points ahead of 3rd place, or even if you want to go a far as saying we lost 1-0 we would have still finished 1 point ahead of 3rd place.
And these points (2 wins = 6 points) we got against georgia were erased from our eventual total because the scotland group had 1 less team in it that all the rest, so all the results against the teams that finished last in the group stages are erased from the second place team, and we finished ahead of norway as we had 12 points (18 total minus 6 points from georgia games) and they only finished on 10 points |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| the ireland wrote: |
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| Sausolito wrote: |
| lol dry your eyes ireland, roy keane (as much as I hate that cretin) makes all you moaners look silly with his interview yesterday. |
Without this Keane handball against Ireland they might have never have been able to play France
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9fx4ipF4Q
btw-what's the penalty for!!!?? |
that was never a penalty however, this is where your lack of football knowledge lets you down, we went on to beat georgia 2-1 in that game, even if you were to dissallow the penatly we would have gotten the draw and finished 2 points ahead of 3rd place, or even if you want to go a far as saying we lost 1-0 we would have still finished 1 point ahead of 3rd place.
And these points (2 wins = 6 points) we got against georgia were erased from our eventual total because the scotland group had 1 less team in it that all the rest, so all the results against the teams that finished last in the group stages are erased from the second place team, and we finished ahead of norway as we had 12 points (18 total minus 6 points from georgia games) and they only finished on 10 points |
OK.
My point was really about Keane's blatant use of his arms.
The penalty is mystifying all the same. |
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