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I attended GETA yesterday. NETs not wanted
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sunnata1



Joined: 19 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: I attended GETA yesterday. NETs not wanted Reply with quote

Yesterday in Gwangju I attended the Global English Teachers Association (GETA) symposium. The title was 'Transforming Learners, Teachers, and the English Classroom.

This was recommended to me as a professional development conference. For Native English Teachers it was anything but.

From the first presentation to the last NETs were bashed. Within the first hour a reference was made to crimes being commited by NETs. There were a few laughs during the day at our expense, and the overall purpose of the day seems to be to make the argument that monies would be better spent training Korean teacher's rather than recruiting and hiring NETs.

One discussion group was held entirely in Korea (although it was an English conference.) The topic of that presentation? 'Transforming ELT in Korea.'

This was not a small break out group - this was one of two late morning discussion groups. Native English speakers who were already seated in the auditorium were told to attend the 'Transforming ELT in Asia' discussion panel.

The fact that the Transforming ELT in Korea panel was held in Korean shows exactly how much input NETs have in the discussion.

There were a few interesting presentation in the afternoon during the break out sessions. These were mostly by grad students presenting their research. But the overall theme for the day was that NETs are bad for the development of teaching English in Korea.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The KT's hadn't a clue as to how to teach english when I first arrived at my school.Nothing personal against them, they're fine. Its sounds arrogant, but its just a fact: their lessons were monotonous, boring, dicatotrial. There was no excitement, ingenuity, activities or genuine interraction.And there were dozens of blatant gramar and other errors.
fast forward a year later, and there is virtually not a single thing the KT's do which is not copied from how I do things. The classes are alive, fun, and learning.

I dunno. It just seems that there is a wall of determination to find fault with foreigners here no matter what. This is a massive insult to those of us who have excelled and done our best. Its all so needless, anyhow, because NET's are not threatening the KT's job security in any way.

From what I can see KT's are no way ready to take over teaching their country english. If because of some sort of xenephobia/inferiority complex/ inability to accept and work alongside foreigners/mass fabrication of foreigner crime hysteria.. they want to sieze the reains at this stage, it will be a backward step for english education in this country.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a global thing, yet almost entirely Korean?

How many foreigners were there, roughly?
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: I attended GETA yesterday. NETs not wanted Reply with quote

sunnata1 wrote:
Yesterday in Gwangju I attended the Global English Teachers Association (GETA) symposium... One discussion group was held entirely in Korea.

One would think they could have split it up between Gwangju and Phuket. We have the technology. Wink
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, let's see. You fly someone to your country to teach kids. You house them and put up a large security deposit. You hire a Korean to be their co-teacher.

Then, you stick the NET in an empty room with boards that are way too high for the students to reach (if they use chairs to stand on, they can only reach one third of it, you only half). You make the Korean teacher do completely unrelated tasks to teaching English and working with the NET.

After all that, you see no improvement in the students. Why is this? Must be the NET!!!
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sunnata1



Joined: 19 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
This was a global thing, yet almost entirely Korean?

How many foreigners were there, roughly?


As far as presenters - there were a few from China, Russia, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Japan.

I estimate about 30 total presenters that were from outside Korea. This number includes their colleagues and spouses.

In addition there were maybe 20 people who looked like NETs.

The balance were Korean English teachers and academics from Korean universities.
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halfmanhalfbiscuit



Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
Well, let's see. You fly someone to your country to teach kids. You house them and put up a large security deposit. You hire a Korean to be their co-teacher.

Then, you stick the NET in an empty room with boards that are way too high for the students to reach (if they use chairs to stand on, they can only reach one third of it, you only half). You make the Korean teacher do completely unrelated tasks to teaching English and working with the NET.

After all that, you see no improvement in the students. Why is this? Must be the NET!!!


My take on this:

You fly someone in to teach kids and put up a deposit which will returned in a year.

You don't specify that they should have teaching experience nor do you plan any professional development for them outside of a demo class every 6 months. You provide limited scope for student assessment and are arbitrary about inviting input. You give the teacher 700-800 students who they will see once a week or fortnight.

You assign Korean English teachers to have this teacher as their assistant. You do not have to show any results.

You do not orient the new teacher to the school and do not put them on an equal footing to Korean teachers. You will control their movement, making them attend school when school is out of session.

You wonder why they think you could not organise a piss-up in a brewery and sit back in the belief that they cannot adjust to Korea and that English is difficult and cannot be approached like any other subject.

You take this failed relationship as evidence that subsequent teachers will require further screening and control.
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Manuel_the_Bandito



Joined: 12 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The people who keep track of testing results know that schools that have NETs are doing better than those that don't. Were it not so we'd all be working in hagwon and unis. Until KETs prove that they can get better results without us we'll still be around the PS system. Based on what I've seen they're still a generation away from achieving this.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently conducted an interview for High School English teachers in Taegu. Out of the 7 candidates, 5 of them used excellent teaching techniques. They incorporated visual aids, audio aids, and have hands-on activities for the students.

2 of the teachers just lectured.

What's even more interesting was that 5 who used a lot of materials were women, and the 2 who just lectured were men.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:

From what I can see KT's are no way ready to take over teaching their country [sic]english. If because of some sort of [sic]xenephobia/inferiority complex/ inability to accept and work alongside foreigners/mass fabrication of foreigner crime hysteria.. they want to [sic]sieze the [sic]reains at this stage, it will be a backward step for [sic]english education in this country.



Yeah...and NETs have been doing such a stellar job to date.
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ytuque



Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
I recently conducted an interview for High School English teachers in Taegu. Out of the 7 candidates, 5 of them used excellent teaching techniques. They incorporated visual aids, audio aids, and have hands-on activities for the students.

2 of the teachers just lectured.

What's even more interesting was that 5 who used a lot of materials were women, and the 2 who just lectured were men.


Are you looking for edutainers or teachers? Shame on the 2 guys for treating English like a serious academic subject.
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