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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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Wow, finally payback for anchor babies.
I have no sympathy. Your family departs / flees the old country. Suffer and work hard to gain citizenship in another country, thus renouncing ties to the old one.
Now, your children don't have the .... to live in the new country but want to live in the old.
The spoiled brats want to be able to live like Koreans and daily trash their country of citizenship, but love to flash around the new passport whenever they have any sign of trouble.
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spot on. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:16 am Post subject: |
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He's not on the registry. Apparently, immigration are harassing him anyway, and telling him various things (some branches telling him he must serve). Nothing shocking about immigration not knowing what they're talking about. I told him that, as far as I know, if he's not on the registry, wasn't born in the ROK, there's really no reason to worry. He just needs to get someone with a little clout (a Korean) to go down to immigration with him and push until someone who has a clue what's going on is forced to come to the counter.
As for all that other nonsense about being a spoiled brat and not having the balls to stay in the US.....  I'm sure your opinion will mean a lot to him. I'll be sure to pass it on so that he can cry himself to sleep every night. By the way, are you 75 years old? |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| Tjames426 wrote: |
Wow, finally payback for anchor babies.
I have no sympathy. Your family departs / flees the old country. Suffer and work hard to gain citizenship in another country, thus renouncing ties to the old one.
Now, your children don't have the .... to live in the new country but want to live in the old.
The spoiled brats want to be able to live like Koreans and daily trash their country of citizenship, but love to flash around the new passport whenever they have any sign of trouble.
[ wink wink ] |
Let me guess... This is Jamesteacho's new id. Your signature obnoxiousness is also a dead give away. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| Is he an adult? Shouldn't this be his own big boy decision? |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Is he an adult? Shouldn't this be his own big boy decision? |
What?
caniff, you seem to have your sassy pants on today. He didn't make this post or ask me to make it. I'm a white female -- completely ignorant about these things. I was just trying to get a little information. Sorry if that caused an extra wrinkle in your brow. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| Tjames426 wrote: |
Wow, finally payback for anchor babies.
I have no sympathy. Your family departs / flees the old country. Suffer and work hard to gain citizenship in another country, thus renouncing ties to the old one.
Now, your children don't have the .... to live in the new country but want to live in the old.
The spoiled brats want to be able to live like Koreans and daily trash their country of citizenship, but love to flash around the new passport whenever they have any sign of trouble.
[ wink wink ] |
What's your problem? Just because someone wants to visit or live in their parent's country doesn't make them a traitor. |
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camp0400
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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hmm, this situation seems odd to me. i don't know much about the whole process. i was born here but then gained american citezenship and raised there my whole life. when i went to the office to remove my name it was quite easy. i just had to figure out where it was, which also was easy.
i have gypo friends who were born here and went to school here until they were in in late elementary school and had no problems. there was one close call but in the end he got out of it and is still here teaching in busan.
oh, and i'm pretty sure both of their fathers served.
i think you'll be ok. i wish i could give you more details about what i did but i was with my korean friend and he pretty much handled it all. i just sat back and waited for them to give me the form to sign away my 'ties to the family registry' or whatever. my korean sucks.
good luck. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Here is what the Embassy of the Republic of Korea to the United States has to say on the issue of military service:
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1. Military Duty for Korean Adoptees
The Korean government requires that all Korean male citizens serve a military duty when they are between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five. However, there are exceptions for certain cases, one of which involves Korean male adoptees.
Men who were born in the Republic of Korea but adopted by parents of United States citizenship are not subject to military duty in the Republic of Korea, only if they were naturalized before the age of eighteen. However, in order to prevent the Korean Military Manpower Agency from mistakenly imposing conscription, these individuals must register the loss of their Korean nationality in their own family register through Korean Consulate General.
If an individual was not naturalized before the age of eighteen, he must apply to postpone his military duty.
For further information on the postponement process and the registration of the loss of Korean nationality, please check the website of the Korean Consulate General in each area according by its jurisdiction.
Link : http://dynamic-korea.com/consulate_service/information2.php
2. Military Service Obligations for Those with Dual Citizenships
In principle, all Korean males between the age of 18 and 35 are subject to the Korean military duty. Males with dual citizenships who are registered in the Korean Family Registrar are required to fulfill their military obligations, unless they postpone or obtain exemption before they reach the age of 18. Koreans who acquired the US citizenship by naturalization are not considered dual citizens; they are US citizens not subject to the Korean military duty. According to the Korean Nationality Act, those who have obtained foreign citizenships by naturalization automatically lose their Korean citizenships. Only those who acquired their foreign citizenships by birth are able to have dual citizenships until the age of 22, at which time they are required to choose a nationality. In addition, all Korean males who were born in the US to Korean parents but are not registered in the Korean Family Registrar are not subject to the military duty.
For Korean males who have obtained US citizenships by birth and are registered in the Korean Family Registrar must either postpone the military duty or renounce the Korean nationality before they reach 18. In order to avoid the imposition of the military duty, all postponements should be made before January 15 of the year they turn the age of 18, whereas renouncements must be made before March 31 of the year they turn 18.
The following dual citizens are eligible to postpone the military duty until the age of 35, after which they obtain full exemption:
- Those who reside in the US with parents with US citizenships
- Those who have resided in the US with parents since the age of 17
- Those who have resided in the US for 10 consecutive years (parents should not reside in the Republic of Korea)
For the purpose of proving the intention of permanent residency, all dual citizens subject to the military duty must submit documents, such as a copy of their parents' permanent residency cards (Green cards), proof of their parents' US citizenships, or the proof of their parents' application for permanent residency or US citizenship, when they apply for the renouncement of dual citizenship.
For further information on the registration process of the loss of Korean nationality, please check the website of the Korean Consulate General in each area according by its jurisdiction.
Link : http://dynamic-korea.com/consulate_service/information2.php
Information Regarding Imposition of Military Service for Persons whose Military Service was Previously Postponed or Exempted for the Reason of Emigration
1. We hereby inform that even if a person whose military service obligation has been postponed or exempted for the reason of emigration such as overseas birth, acquisition of citizenship, etc., if the person falls under any of the following categories below, such postponement or exemption shall be cancelled and military service shall be imposed on the person along with a travel ban, and accordingly, permit for overseas travel shall be restricted in the future (See next page ☞).
A. If a report of permanent return from abroad has been filed in accordance with the provisions of the Emigration Act;
B. If a person who was born abroad, resides in the Republic of Korea upon filing his resident registration;
C. If a person stays in the Republic of Korea for a total of six (6) months or more within a period of one (1) year; (Period of stay in the Republic of Korea shall be calculated by counting the days backwards from the date of calculation) ☞ See next page
D. If a person who studies at a domestic academic institute, stays in the Republic of Korea for a total of six (6) months or more within a period of one (1) year after graduating from the respective school (including completion, temporary absence from school, withdrawal, expulsion, etc.), or his father, mother, or spouse stays in the Republic of Korea for a total of six (6) months or more within a period of one (1) year; (☞ Calculation of the period of stay is the same as that set forth in Provision C above).
E. If a person engages in moneymaking activities that fall under any of the following, such as employment in the Republic of Korea, etc.:
1) A person who receives wages, such as salary, compensation, remuneration, annual allowance, and other payments pursuant to a continuous employment relationship;
2) A person who operates certain businesses such as farming, industry, trade, fishery, etc.;
3) Entertainer, artist, athlete, etc. who earns income through activities such as performance, broadcasting, films, CFs, etc., and stays in the Republic of Korea for a total of sixty (60) days or more in a year; or
4) A person who has a yearly income of KRW 10 million or more in return for provision of other personnel service and stays in the Republic of Korea for a total of sixty (60) days or more in a year.
2. In the case of staying in the Republic of Korea within a period of sixty (60) days for the following grounds, such period shall not be added up in calculating the period of total stay in the Republic of Korea. Therefore, please submit the following documents of evidence to the applicable regional military manpower office or airport military administration office.
A. Marriage of the person himself, delivery of spouse, attending a funeral, or 60th birthday banquet or marriage of brothers or sisters, lineal ascendants, linear descendants: Document that can prove such fact (e.g., copy of census register or certified copy of resident registration).
B. Attending as an athlete or office of an athletic sports competition supervised by a sports organization under the Republic of Korea Sports Council: Confirmation by the chief of the sports organization under the Republic of Korea Sports Council.
3. For any further inquiries, please contact Military Manpower Administration Call-Center in the Republic of Korea
(☎ 1588-9090).
Information Regarding Restrictions of Permit for Overseas Travel for Persons Under Obligation to Serve in the Military
We hereby inform that any person with an obligation to serve in the military, who has not completed military service, or is not exempted from military service, and falls under any of the following categories, shall not be granted a permit for overseas travel according to Article 70, Paragraph (2) of the Military Service Act and Article 145, Paragraph (6) of the Enforcement Decree of the same Act (☞ Cannot depart from the Republic of Korea).
1. Person who evaded military service or had escaped from service;
2. Person who departed from the Republic of Korea without obtaining a permit for overseas travel, or failed to return to the Republic of Korea within the permitted period;
3. Person who failed to obtain a permit while staying abroad until the year during which the person turned eighteen (1 years old, upon departing from the Republic of Korea before he was seventeen (17) years old; or
4. Person whose obligation of military service has been postponed or exempted for the reason or emigration such as overseas birth, acquisition of denizenship, etc., and a disposition of permit for overseas travel or postponement of military service (exemption) has been cancelled because the respective person has stayed in the Republic of Korea for a total of six (6) months or more within a period of one (1) year, or engaged in moneymaking activities, such as employment in the Republic of Korea, etc. (In such case, if a report of permanent return from abroad has been filed in accordance with the provisions of the Emigration Act, the permit shall not be restricted.)
Information on Method of Calculating Period of Stay in the Republic of Korea
1. "Period of one (1) year" means a period until the date when the period becomes one (1) year by calculating the days backwards from the date of calculation.
e.g.) June 30, 2006 (date of calculation) → July 1, 2005 (date when the period becomes one year)
2. "Six (6) months or more in total" means when the period of time the person has stayed in the Republic of Korea is 183 days or more, regardless of the number of times the person entered the Republic of Korea within the "period of one (1) year."
e.g.) 1) If a person enters the Republic of Korea on July 1, 2005, and stays in the Republic of Korea continuously until the day when the period becomes 183 days.
e.g.) 2) If the period becomes 183 days upon adding up the period of stay in the Republic of Korea during the period from July 1, 2005 to June 30, 2006
3. The standards for calculating the period of stay in the Republic of Korea above shall apply to those who entered the Republic of Korea after July 1, 2005.
※ For any further inquiries, please contact Military Manpower Administration Call-Center (☎ 1588 - 9090). |
The OP's friend's best bet to resovle his situation is not FOAF stories on Dave's but rather the Military Manpower Administration. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| The situation has been resolved now. He wasn't in the registry. Just some immigration windbags giving him guff over nothing, I think. He won't have to serve. Thanks for all the advice and help here, though. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| all i know is that if I was given the choice between conscription and being banned from Korea forever, I would jump on the latter in a heartbeat. |
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