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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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 Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: Sea Shepherd? |
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Discovery Channel Asia has been broadcasting 'Whale Wars' for about a month now. What do you think?
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Tundra_Creature
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Never watched whale watchers, but I know of Sea Shepherd. Whilst I understand what they're trying to do, I can't respect their methods.
Extremist, whether 'right' or 'left' or whatever wing, have never been good in my books. Two sides of the same coin (in my opinion).
EDIT: My answer though was that Steve Irwin does not have an 'Ice-Breaking Hull', though I imagine he must do wonders with his hands if he can wrestle a croc.  |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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They are useful for keeping up pressure and in bringing attention to the issue which would otherwise be forgotten.
However the real battle will be won with a campaign of public education, on the ground, in Japan...stressing the need for conservation of marine life.
Environmentalism is typically ignored and stomped on in East Asia. There is no awareness or consideration. Hence Japanese waters are the most depleted and overfished in the region. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Probably at least half of the reason the Japanese continue to whale is because so many countries complain and tell them they shouldn't do that.
Secondly, do the Japanese hunt endangered whales? If the whales they hunt aren't endangered, then everyone should just shut up. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| If the whales they hunt aren't endangered, then everyone should just shut up. |
Your total lack of concern for the environment and lack of knowledge regarding other living creatures that share this planet is very obvious. Its no surprise you deny global warming, you've never set foot outside the modern conveniences of your conrete urban lifestyle.
I suggest you get out into the country side more and take up an interest in studying wildlife, for example. Probably even taking up fishing or owning a pet would expand your very limited awareness of the world around you. Humans are one species of millions on this planet. And you thought the world revolved around you? |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| If the whales they hunt aren't endangered, then everyone should just shut up. |
Your total lack of concern for the environment and lack of knowledge regarding other living creatures that share this planet is very obvious. Its no surprise you deny global warming, you've never set foot outside the modern conveniences of your conrete urban lifestyle.
I suggest you get out into the country side more and take up an interest in studying wildlife, for example. Probably even taking up fishing or owning a pet would expand your very limited awareness of the world around you. Humans are one species of millions on this planet. And you thought the world revolved around you? |
That was a little harsh
He has a point that if it has a high stable or growing population then it is a little hypocritical. However due to the fact that I don't know of any species of whale that has a high population (esp considering estimated pre-whaling populations), it isn't really necessary.
We are in the unfortunate situation now that Japan won't back down because they don't want to be seen to be backing down. Until a working management system can be imposed on the open water, or whales can be trained to remain in friendly countries EEZs Japan won't stop whaling (or they are offered something which they can take and save face).
But back to the topic, not a big fan of Greenpeace and their like due to there focus on the cute and cuddly rather than umbrella species and habitat protection |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| If the whales they hunt aren't endangered, then everyone should just shut up. |
Your total lack of concern for the environment and lack of knowledge regarding other living creatures that share this planet is very obvious. Its no surprise you deny global warming, you've never set foot outside the modern conveniences of your conrete urban lifestyle.
I suggest you get out into the country side more and take up an interest in studying wildlife, for example. Probably even taking up fishing or owning a pet would expand your very limited awareness of the world around you. Humans are one species of millions on this planet. And you thought the world revolved around you? |
And environmentalists wonder why people call their faith a religion. Your assertions are based completely on blind faith. There is not a single ounce of reasoning or logic in your entire rant.
As for getting out into the country side. I was born on a farm and lived 5kms a way from 10,000 acres of national park for 18 years. And why would you tell me to take up fishing when you are railing against whaling? Isn't that just fishing on a grand scale? |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| blackjack wrote: |
That was a little harsh |
Ok maybe it was.Apologies.
I just think the automatic kneejerk human-centred viewpoint needs to start dying.
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| There is not a single ounce of reasoning or logic in your entire rant. |
Recent evidence shows the Japanese are indeed killing endangered Pacific Minkes.
"To find out exactly where the whale meat on sale in Japan was caught, the researchers analysed 1200 samples of Japanese whale meat between 1997 and 2004. They found that 250 of the samples came from 201 north Pacific minke whales. An alarming 46 per cent of these appeared to be from the protected J stock."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17890-whale-forensics-highlights-threat-to-species.html
But apparently worse is the amount of protected whales being Killed in South Korean waters.
Between 1999 and 2003, Korean fishermen reported snaring 458 minke whales. Now a team led by Scott Baker of Oregon State University in Newport says the true catch was nearly twice that number and threatens the survival of minke whales in the Sea of Japan.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19426034.100-high-value-of-whale-meat-costs-minkes-in-korea.html
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Globally, 90% of the big fish in the world are gone. Does it really matter if those whales are not endangered (which they are)? All marine creatures eventually will be if we continue our current destructive practices.
The situation in the water is far worse than people know. Probably because it isn't easily visible.
Any East Coasters realize the fish you grew up on (Atlantic Cod) is complete gone now? They're extinct and they've been replaced with other endangered species.
You can make changes, however, starting even in the grocery store. Buy Alaskan salmon and seafood from other sustainable fisheries, folks! |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
Globally, 90% of the big fish in the world are gone. Does it really matter if those whales are not endangered (which they are)? All marine creatures eventually will be if we continue our current destructive practices.
The situation in the water is far worse than people know. Probably because it isn't easily visible.
Any East Coasters realize the fish you grew up on (Atlantic Cod) is complete gone now? They're extinct and they've been replaced with other endangered species.
You can make changes, however, starting even in the grocery store. Buy Alaskan salmon and seafood from other sustainable fisheries, folks! |
Have you ever read the book "Cod"? It is a fascinating read about the Atlantic cod. There used to be so many you could stand 20 feet off shore and catch hundreds with a net. It was also not uncommon to catch fish as large as 3 feet long.
The problem of over fishing stems from an ownership issue. If nobody owns the fish, everyone goes all out to catch as much as they can because if you don't catch them someone else will. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| If they switched to AK-47s, I might watch the show. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| The problem of over fishing stems from an ownership issue. If nobody owns the fish, everyone goes all out to catch as much as they can because if you don't catch them someone else will. |
ie..waters off Somalia.
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| If they switched to AK-47s, I might watch the show. |
I'd pay to see a Somali pirate show where they follow the pirates tackling all the illegal trawlers in their waters. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| Rusty wrote: |
| The problem of over fishing stems from an ownership issue. If nobody owns the fish, everyone goes all out to catch as much as they can because if you don't catch them someone else will. |
ie..waters off Somalia.
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| If they switched to AK-47s, I might watch the show. |
I'd pay to see a Somali pirate show where they follow the pirates tackling all the illegal trawlers in their waters. |
I have literally no idea what you are talking about. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:09 am Post subject: |
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I have literally no idea what you are talking about. |
Why does that not surprise me?
Somali waters have been fished illegally by opportunistic trawlers from many countries. Probably yours included. Busy thieving fish and dumping toxic waste.
Its only when the Somali coastguard started fighting back of course... that it made any news. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
I have literally no idea what you are talking about. |
Why does that not surprise me?
Somali waters have been fished illegally by opportunistic trawlers from many countries. Probably yours included. Busy thieving fish and dumping toxic waste.
Its only when the Somali coastguard started fighting back of course... that it made any news. |
Proves my point. Nobody owns it. Somalia doesn't have a government to enforce property rights. |
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