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Olivencia
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Pluto
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| A well-known third party candidate for president is great idea. Regarding immigration, I'm a little uncomfortable with his views. Still, I've come around to having a heavier police presence on the southern boarder so long as we can agree that we allow markets to better guide immigration policy. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| A well-known third party candidate for president is great idea. |
Definitely. Anything that helps push us away from the current 2 party system we utilize is a good thing. I'd never vote for the guy, but if his running could get people to start feeling like a vote for someone other than a Democrat or Republican isn't a waste, it would be excellent. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Pluto wrote: |
| A well-known third party candidate for president is great idea. |
Definitely. Anything that helps push us away from the current 2 party system we utilize is a good thing. I'd never vote for the guy, but if his running could get people to start feeling like a vote for someone other than a Democrat or Republican isn't a waste, it would be excellent. |
You'd need to abolish the Electoral College before you could see successful Third Party candidates becoming President. And even then, you'd need millions to still abandon their partisan attachments. |
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ytuque
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Location: I drink therefore I am!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| A well-known third party candidate for president is great idea. Regarding immigration, I'm a little uncomfortable with his views. Still, I've come around to having a heavier police presence on the southern boarder so long as we can agree that we allow markets to better guide immigration policy. |
Why would you want the markets to control US immigration policy? Business cares about the bottom line and not much else. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Pluto wrote: |
| A well-known third party candidate for president is great idea. |
Definitely. Anything that helps push us away from the current 2 party system we utilize is a good thing. I'd never vote for the guy, but if his running could get people to start feeling like a vote for someone other than a Democrat or Republican isn't a waste, it would be excellent. |
You'd need to abolish the Electoral College before you could see successful Third Party candidates becoming President. And even then, you'd need millions to still abandon their partisan attachments. |
I think it's time to abandon the Electoral College anyway. Mind you, though, I don't think a third party Presidential candidate has to win in order to have their attempted run be of value. Even doing fairly well could inspire other members of their party to stand a better chance in other political elections. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Am I the only one who thinks this is all about boosting his contract negotiation position? The more press Dobbs gets about being "independent" and "political", the more $$$ or better position he can get.
It seems obvious to me that he sees himself as a journalist and is only seriously considering media opportunities presently on his desk.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a done deal somewhere like Fox and this is just to get free press to promote the position to be announced, to boost public consciousness so that his new show will get better ratings from the get go. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Pluto wrote: |
| A well-known third party candidate for president is great idea. |
Definitely. Anything that helps push us away from the current 2 party system we utilize is a good thing. I'd never vote for the guy, but if his running could get people to start feeling like a vote for someone other than a Democrat or Republican isn't a waste, it would be excellent. |
You'd need to abolish the Electoral College before you could see successful Third Party candidates becoming President. And even then, you'd need millions to still abandon their partisan attachments. |
I think it's time to abandon the Electoral College anyway. Mind you, though, I don't think a third party Presidential candidate has to win in order to have their attempted run be of value. Even doing fairly well could inspire other members of their party to stand a better chance in other political elections. |
Ross Perot didn't win, but he put issues like the national debt in the spotlight, and eventually Clinton and Gingrich had to reckon with it.
So, I agree, a third-party candidate needn't win to be influential.
I, too, am losing faith in the Electoral College as it stands. I'd still like Electors, though, to keep the people from a direct election of the President. But you could distribute electors by simply splitting the popular vote. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| A well-known third party candidate for president is great idea. Regarding immigration, I'm a little uncomfortable with his views. Still, I've come around to having a heavier police presence on the southern boarder so long as we can agree that we allow markets to better guide immigration policy. |
Why would you want the markets to control US immigration policy? Business cares about the bottom line and not much else. |
Yes, this is true. Assuming a competitive enviornment, businesses will seek to cut costs, including labor, in order to deliver better products and services to customers. What's your point?
Moreover, I never stated I wanted markets to control immigration policy, I stated that I wanted markets to guide immigration policy.
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Am I the only one who thinks this is all about boosting his contract negotiation position? The more press Dobbs gets about being "independent" and "political", the more $$$ or better position he can get.
It seems obvious to me that he sees himself as a journalist and is only seriously considering media opportunities presently on his desk.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a done deal somewhere like Fox and this is just to get free press to promote the position to be announced, to boost public consciousness so that his new show will get better ratings from the get go. |
I can understand the cynicism. Still, a well-known third party candidate running for office will be a great boon to the general electorate. You may say Dobbs is pursuing his own selfish interests, but so are Democrats and Republicans. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Run, Lou, Run!!!
"A new Rasmussen poll tests Lou Dobbs as an independent candidate for President against Barack Obama and various Republicans -- finding that Lou wouldn't poll very strongly as an indy, and would only take votes away from the GOP."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/poll-lou-dobbs-wouldnt-go-far-as-indy-for-president.php?ref=fpb
It's a little early, but I might start keeping my fingers crossed for Lou...and Sarah and that Burr guy from Georgia all running, in addition to whoever--Huckabee???-- the GOP nominates. The more the merrier, I say.
While it's true that third party candidates have had an impact on the major parties (think Progressive Party of a hundred years ago), it's also true it's finding a virtue in necessity--people desperately trying to find a silver lining in an otherwise very dark cloud.
It would be highly entertaining to see the Electoral College deadlocked with the election thrown into the House of Representatives. We haven't seen that in the lifetime of anyone living. It would be fascinating to watch. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Speaking of third-party candidates, a few may try their luck throughout New England.
From Opinion Journal:
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hird-party candidates rarely win elections. So what does it say about the deep blue states of Massachusetts and Rhode Island that they now have credible independents running for governor next year?
While politics is often messy and even contradictory, third-party candidates tend to run strong when one party becomes so dominant that it becomes comfortable pushing unpopular policies. That seems to be happening now in the Democratic stronghold of New England.
In Massachusetts, state Treasurer Tim Cahill resigned from the Democratic Party recently to make a bid for the state's top job as an independent. As of Sept. 30, the end of the latest reporting period, he had more than $3 million in his campaign war chest.
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In Rhode Island, former Republican Sen. Lincoln Chafee is looking for a political comeback as an independent. Recent polling shows the gubernatorial hopeful capturing a third of the vote and leading possible Democratic and Republican candidates. He's not as far along in fund- raising as Mr. Cahill, but Rhode Island is a cheaper state to run in because it has just one media market. Mr. Chafee has a personal fortune he could tap, and as a former senator has been a viable fund raiser in the past.
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Both men were successful because large numbers of voters are unwilling to embrace a candidate simply because of party affiliation. In Massachusetts, 50.2% of voters are registered as unaffiliated with either party (up from 42.2% in 1990). In Rhode Island, 50.1% are unaffiliated. Those numbers tell us that a majority of voters are somewhat disaffected with both parties. Messrs. Cahill and Chafee are hoping to stitch together a coalition of these voters.
This is not implausible in New England. Maine elected James B. Longley in 1974 and Angus King in 1994 as independent governors. In 1990, Connecticut elected Lowell Weicker governor as an independent, while Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman currently represent Vermont and Connecticut, respectively, as independent U.S. senators. |
I suppose we could add Mayor Bloomberg to that list too. |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| I would like for our US immigration policies to be more equitable. For example, if you were a Korean, it shouldn't take you any more or less time, or ability to jump through hoops when you go to become a citizen of the US than if you were a Guatemalan, a Mexican, or a Brit. Reform is needed. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| I would like for our US immigration policies to be more equitable. For example, if you were a Korean, it shouldn't take you any more or less time, or ability to jump through hoops when you go to become a citizen of the US than if you were a Guatemalan, a Mexican, or a Brit. Reform is needed. |
So a Saudi and a Spaniard should be treated exactly equally? The government shouldn't prefer one over the other? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| So a Saudi and a Spaniard should be treated exactly equally? The government shouldn't prefer one over the other? |
Right, when there are no other qualification differences. Ethnic background should be irrelevant. Factors to be considered are educational background and skills that can be utilized. Some attention should be paid to character--child molesters should go to the back of the line. Some attention should be paid to politics--people from countries with royalty-- queens say--should be quizzed pretty closely about their commitment to republicanism. |
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