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90% of Obama's Cabinet Have Never Held A Real Job.
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Reggie



Joined: 21 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at all of the children in Korea who are making progress learning the English language. When I was their age, foreign language classes didn't exist. Instead, I had required music classes where we would sing the theme song to The Dukes of Hazzard every day and do this song where kids in blue seats would walk around them, other kids would crawl around yellow seats, kids who had red seats would run around those, etc. Even though Spanish would've been very valuable, the public school system decided it was more important for us to be able to sing the theme song to The Dukes of Hazzard and be able to crawl around a yellow chair.

Fast forward to high school where math classes were interrupted every day for some bullcrap news program called Channel One. It would always take up something like 15 minutes of class time. In English classes, the teacher would always pop a video into the VCR and we would watch movies like Jane Eyre, Robin Hood: Prince of Theives, Hamlet, and any other movie the teacher could find to keep us preoccupied while she would leave and be out of the classroom, somewhere.... When I was a junior in high school, we had required Spanish classes, but they were too little too late. And I don't think the teacher was qualified. For example, when we were learning colors, he taught us that amarillo was pronounced the same way George Straight and everyone else pronounces Amarillo, the city in Texas, and that's totally not right! Speaking of George Straight, we watched some movie with him in it when I was in high school. I can't remember which class it was, since English wasn't the only class that would show a lot of movies. In the movie, Straight was singing some song to a lady who was crying as he sang it.

Then I went to the University of Tennessee and it was a total joke. I paid a lot of money for a piece of paper and very little education.
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Reggie



Joined: 21 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to add that we complain so much when some of the Johnny Come Latelies in America speak Spanish. Instead, maybe we should focus on the fact that we can't understand them because we're uneducated or undereducated. We really need to offer Spanish classes to all children and offer other languages in the school systems who can afford to hire the teachers.
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Reggie



Joined: 21 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
The fact that Obama's people have no " real world" experience should bother people because they have experience with a business. Working within a budget, meeting expectations, getting concrete results are all things that one must do in the private sector or face consequences. Working for the government (the upper echelons of the federal government mainly), the budget is limitless, expectations are flexible, results aren't necessary.


Very well-articulated and I totally agree.
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reggie wrote:
Or maybe a better choice would be former Washington Redskins "Secretary of Defense" Dexter Manley, who graduated high school in Texas and studied at Oklahoma State University for four years despite being so illiterate that he couldn't read road signs or food menus. I bet he knows more about how screwed up the public education system is than his high school teachers, his high school principal, the superintendents, university professors, university president, and others who received fat paychecks and either didn't know or didn't care that their most famous student couldn't even read.

Is he the same NFLer who, after playing an exhibition game in London, said he didn't know they spoke English there?

Rusty Shackleford wrote:
Fox wrote:


The American public education system isn't a failure. The culture many of America's children are partaking in is a failure. No educational system is going to do anything for you if you ditch half your classes to smoke. No educational system will help you if you don't study and don't do homework. No educational system is going to do anything for you if you aren't willing to do something for yourself.


The US system(and most public systems around the world) is a massive failure. Spending per student has risen by almost 200% over the last 30 years, yet grades have remained stagnant.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/09/30/chart-of-the-day-federal-ed-spending/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Cato-at-liberty+(Cato+at+Liberty)&utm_content=Google+Reader

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/10/12/paul-krugman-vs-the-daily-show/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Cato-at-liberty+(Cato+at+Liberty)&utm_content=Google+Reader

That is a failure no matter how you wish to define the word.

With all of the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on public education and policymakers still basing decisions on religious or other ideologies instead of on what has been shown to be effective, and constituents voting that way, one can only conclude there has been a massive failure.
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:


Rusty Shackleford wrote:
Fox wrote:


The American public education system isn't a failure. The culture many of America's children are partaking in is a failure. No educational system is going to do anything for you if you ditch half your classes to smoke. No educational system will help you if you don't study and don't do homework. No educational system is going to do anything for you if you aren't willing to do something for yourself.


The US system(and most public systems around the world) is a massive failure. Spending per student has risen by almost 200% over the last 30 years, yet grades have remained stagnant.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/09/30/chart-of-the-day-federal-ed-spending/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Cato-at-liberty+(Cato+at+Liberty)&utm_content=Google+Reader

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/10/12/paul-krugman-vs-the-daily-show/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Cato-at-liberty+(Cato+at+Liberty)&utm_content=Google+Reader

That is a failure no matter how you wish to define the word.

With all of the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on public education and policymakers still basing decisions on religious or other ideologies instead of on what has been shown to be effective, and constituents voting that way, one can only conclude there has been a massive failure.


No, no. It's obviously the students' fault.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:

With all of the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on public education and policymakers still basing decisions on religious or other ideologies instead of on what has been shown to be effective, and constituents voting that way, one can only conclude there has been a massive failure.


Prove that hell and eternal damnation DON'T await countries that accept homosexuality, abortion, and comprehensive sex education. Just because people have faith in something doesn't mean they are a failure.

ANYWAY, let's keep it on topic. Obama and his unqualified hacks. Laughing
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Reggie



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Is he the same NFLer who, after playing an exhibition game in London, said he didn't know they spoke English there?


I think that was Channing Crowder, the University of Florida's finest. Very Happy
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
bacasper wrote:

With all of the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on public education and policymakers still basing decisions on religious or other ideologies instead of on what has been shown to be effective, and constituents voting that way, one can only conclude there has been a massive failure.


Prove that hell and eternal damnation DON'T await countries that accept homosexuality, abortion, and comprehensive sex education. Just because people have faith in something doesn't mean they are a failure.

Disregarding the futility of attempting to prove a negative, people, even lawmakers, can have whatever faith they want as long as they in the public sector do not impose it upon me.


Rusty Shackleford wrote:
No, no. It's obviously the students' fault.

You forgot the "rolly eyes" icon.
Fox wrote:
The American public education system isn't a failure. The culture many of America's children are partaking in is a failure. No educational system is going to do anything for you if you ditch half your classes to smoke. No educational system will help you if you don't study and don't do homework. No educational system is going to do anything for you if you aren't willing to do something for yourself.

It is not the fault of the students if they are promoted and graduated despite not having demonstrated mastery of the necessary material. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the schools.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
It is not the fault of the students if they are promoted and graduated despite not having demonstrated mastery of the necessary material. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the schools.


Well, you're right. It's their fault for failing to master the necessary material (assuming they're mentally capable of doing so; if they aren't, it's no one's fault), but it's not their fault if they are graduated despite not having mastered it. Of course, anyone mentally capable of mastering the material who opts not to do didn't fail to do so because of the educational system. We're talking very easy material for which adequate instruction is provided here.
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fiveeagles



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Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
I like how public sector work is evidently "not a real job." So everyone in Obama's cabinet currently "doesn't have a real job?" Public sector work is equivalent to being unemployed?


Pretty much!
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Fox



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:
Fox wrote:
I like how public sector work is evidently "not a real job." So everyone in Obama's cabinet currently "doesn't have a real job?" Public sector work is equivalent to being unemployed?


Pretty much!


Be sure to tell the next officer of the law you see that he doesn't have a real job. I'm sure he'll be quite pleased to hear it.
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Reggie



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Officer of the law = Tax collector with a radar gun Wink
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sarbonn



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, I'm not anti-Obama, or even anti-Democrats, but it is somewhat significant if you think about the implications of what this blog post is really saying. If you can cast off the partisan crap of the original posting that tries to retitle this to make it seem like non-private sector means unemployed, it is still something to think about that such a high percentage of the current administration has so little private sector experience, yet purporrts to be able to decide what is best for the private sector. That definitely causes me to have to really think about what's going on when put into that context. And that's not even going in the direction of the Obama hating population, which I'm sure loves to spin it even worse, but I find it somewhat scary to point out that it's not really that easy to make it that much worse of a condemnation.

Now, if lots of public sector experience can do the same thing, great, but I'd trust that at about the same time I'd trust people from the educational sector to solve the world's problems when they haven't lived in the world's environment for so long (and yeah, I'm from that segment, too).
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mises



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The private sector is dominated by tight deadlines, even tighter budgets and the always present risk of failure (unless you're Vampire Squid). The government worker knows no such thing. The government worker is like a little child, insulated by mommy from the real world. This is how it is. It is true that Bush stacked his admin with oligarchs, which is no better. The elite are seperated from how average people live. But a government that only knows the unlimited comfort of government will never understand what the private sector needs.

JD's and government don't create value, they transfer value. Really, that's what we have. The standard workers/owners distinction is gone. We have the class that create value and the class that transfer that value (without ownership) to themselves via the law and government. They're parasites. At least the owners pony up their own capital and take risks.

The Obama clan are nothing more than a cadre of individuals who have spent their live transferring value, without risk, to themselves.
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bassist33



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/02/glenn-beck/beck-says-less-10-percent-obama-cabinet-members-ha/

---Cembalest said he has "written 250,000 words in research over the last decade, and every single thing I've ever done -- except this one chart -- was empirically based on data from the Federal Reserve" or another official source. "This is the one time I stepped out into making judgment calls, and I assure you I won't do it again. ... The frightening thing about the Internet is that people copy one chart from what you write and then it goes viral. So I've learned a lesson here that these kinds of issues are best left addressed by the people who practice them day in and day out." ---

This is an ignorant conversation and the supposed facts being tossed around are based on lazy research. If this is the type of work that the Chief Investment Officer of one of the world's largest investment firms does, it's no wonder the financial sector was in ruins. Maybe Obama really should look for people that haven't been tainted with the ignorance and blind greed of the corporate private sector.

It's also quite amazing how these falsities were picked up by so many conservative critics out there without any fact checking. They simply picked up a chart and assumed it had to be true, and started spewing their ignorance. Then you post it here.

Nice try..
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