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FredDaSked
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
Location: Within You, Without You
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Where would you rather have the decision being made? I say the more local, the better.
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I'm not particularly comfortable with local decision making at all, at least about truly important matters. Things like zoning ordinances or curfews, sure, have your local decisions. Things like the death penalty? No way. Sure, it's easier to get the death penalty abolished in one state than getting it abolished at a federal level would be, but it's harder to get it independently abolished in all 50 states than it would be to get it abolished at a federal level. My goal isn't just to have my state be free of unethical executions, but rather my entire country. |
I'm going to stay with my conviction, stated early on in this thread, that there hasn't anything been said that doesn't apply to a greater or lesser extent to any country the world over, wherever people want the freedom to govern themselves. The more US Republic-style government a country administers, the more these issues are going to present themselves (and the more influence it will have in the world in general. But, hey, whatever the imitation, never the duplication, hmm?). Ask any local anywhere, we all want more control.
Besides, if those crimes worthy of the death penalty were always given the consequence they deserve, nobody would worry about the level at which the decision would be made. it would be made at the time the crime was committed.
disregarding that fraction of a fraction of a percent of the time that an innocent man sits on death row (and I wager that at this very moment there are fewer than one), my only problem with the US justice system is that it is too slow in its execution. Anyone put on death row must breathe a heavy sigh of relief, knowing they'll have many more years to live than anyone on skid row.
To advocate abolishing the death penalty is to be a liberal. |
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thecount
Joined: 10 Nov 2009
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The religious right.
The ludicrous left.
The entitlement and victimization culture we breed by telling our children that, because something happened to their ancestors, they deserve a break or special treatment.
The Baby-Boomer generation, which has proven to be the most extravagant, recklessly self-indulgent, narcissistic, morally bankrupt group of Americans to ever live. It is certainly difficult to live up to their WWII parents, the "Greatest Generation," but that is no excuse to legislate away from your grandchildren the freedoms you were born with, spend their money and pass the check down the line. It is no excuse to teach our children to live as you did - with a sense of entitlement and a chip on their shoulders that the unfair world "owes them one."
It was the boomers that broke down the fences at Woodstock because they did not want to pay. They got their way -as they always do- but the promoters went bankrupt...the boomers destroy everything they touch.
It was the boomers that extended temporary government safety-net programs into hammocks for the lazy and a refuge for the savvy.
It was the boomers that inherited opulence, opportunity and a dominion over a plaint and shape-able new world...the wealthiest generation in American history, with the future of the world placed in their hands, gift-wrapped.
They chose to throw their money -then our money, then our children's money- down endless holes of credit card debt, entitlement programs, reckless investments and unsustainable policies both at home and abroad.
Now they teach our children that they, too, should not work hard for what they want, but just TAKE it, damn the consequences.
Not every boomer is guilty of this worst sort of moral bankruptcy. But enough are.
That's what sickens me about America. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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The religious right.
The ludicrous left.
The entitlement and victimization culture we breed by telling our children that, because something happened to their ancestors, they deserve a break or special treatment.
The Baby-Boomer generation, which has proven to be the most extravagant, recklessly self-indulgent, narcissistic, morally bankrupt group of Americans to ever live. It is certainly difficult to live up to their WWII parents, the "Greatest Generation," but that is no excuse to legislate away from your grandchildren the freedoms you were born with, spend their money and pass the check down the line. It is no excuse to teach our children to live as you did - with a sense of entitlement and a chip on their shoulders that the unfair world "owes them one."
It was the boomers that broke down the fences at Woodstock because they did not want to pay. They got their way -as they always do- but the promoters went bankrupt...the boomers destroy everything they touch.
It was the boomers that extended temporary government safety-net programs into hammocks for the lazy and a refuge for the savvy.
It was the boomers that inherited opulence, opportunity and a dominion over a plaint and shape-able new world...the wealthiest generation in American history, with the future of the world placed in their hands, gift-wrapped.
They chose to throw their money -then our money, then our children's money- down endless holes of credit card debt, entitlement programs, reckless investments and unsustainable policies both at home and abroad.
Now they teach our children that they, too, should not work hard for what they want, but just TAKE it, damn the consequences.
Not every boomer is guilty of this worst sort of moral bankruptcy. But enough are.
That's what sickens me about America. |
Grandpa? Is it you? |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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America the land of the free??  hahahahaha
FREE??? hahhaaah yeah right.... that's funny... |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| FredDaSked wrote: |
| Ask any local anywhere, we all want more control. |
I don't want my local community having more control. So much for your theory.
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| Besides, if those crimes worthy of the death penalty were always given the consequence they deserve, nobody would worry about the level at which the decision would be made. it would be made at the time the crime was committed. |
1) No crime is worthy of the death penalty.
2) Even if such a crime existed, the government should not be putting people to death.
| FredDaSked wrote: |
| To advocate abolishing the death penalty is to be a liberal. |
Yes, it is, because liberalism is about progress, and this is an example of progressing away from a barbaric, unjust practice. |
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pr1ncejeffie
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| thecount wrote: |
The religious right.
The ludicrous left.
The entitlement and victimization culture we breed by telling our children that, because something happened to their ancestors, they deserve a break or special treatment.
The Baby-Boomer generation, which has proven to be the most extravagant, recklessly self-indulgent, narcissistic, morally bankrupt group of Americans to ever live. It is certainly difficult to live up to their WWII parents, the "Greatest Generation," but that is no excuse to legislate away from your grandchildren the freedoms you were born with, spend their money and pass the check down the line. It is no excuse to teach our children to live as you did - with a sense of entitlement and a chip on their shoulders that the unfair world "owes them one."
It was the boomers that broke down the fences at Woodstock because they did not want to pay. They got their way -as they always do- but the promoters went bankrupt...the boomers destroy everything they touch.
It was the boomers that extended temporary government safety-net programs into hammocks for the lazy and a refuge for the savvy.
It was the boomers that inherited opulence, opportunity and a dominion over a plaint and shape-able new world...the wealthiest generation in American history, with the future of the world placed in their hands, gift-wrapped.
They chose to throw their money -then our money, then our children's money- down endless holes of credit card debt, entitlement programs, reckless investments and unsustainable policies both at home and abroad.
Now they teach our children that they, too, should not work hard for what they want, but just TAKE it, damn the consequences.
Not every boomer is guilty of this worst sort of moral bankruptcy. But enough are.
That's what sickens me about America. |
Grandpa? Is it you? |
It's quite true.
Add something else to this....
The lovefest between people and celebs. I understand MSM having Tiger Woods in front of the TV and magazines all week long while our President just announce he is sending 30,000 troops to Afghanistan. It's the readers who buy US weekly or whatever gossip magazines you could think of. It's the people at your job talking about Tiger Woods and his 10,000 mistresses.
Some people hate our sensualization of celebrities but we continuously talk about them. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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America the land of the free?? hahahahaha
FREE??? hahhaaah yeah right.... that's funny... |
In America, you're free to voice your opinions, free to practice the religion of your choice, free to vote for the representatives of your choice, free to engage in sexual relationships with the consenting adult of your choice (regardless of their gender), free to pursue economic prosperity in the manner of your choosing, and free to enter and exit the country more or less as you please. These are freedoms many people in the world lack.
What is it that you'd like to do but aren't free to do, exactly? |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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To advocate abolishing the death penalty is to be a liberal.[/quote]
I'm a conservative and the death penalty disgusts me. In fact they just executed a mentally retarded man in texas the other day. That absolutely disgusts me. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| The thing that irritates me most about Americans is that they dont really care about the opinions of young, mostly poorly educated people who hve never visited, or lived in the U.S. That really pisses me off!!! |
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FredDaSked
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
Location: Within You, Without You
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| pr1ncejeffie wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| thecount wrote: |
The religious right.
The ludicrous left.
The entitlement and victimization culture we breed by telling our children that, because something happened to their ancestors, they deserve a break or special treatment.
The Baby-Boomer generation, which has proven to be the most extravagant, recklessly self-indulgent, narcissistic, morally bankrupt group of Americans to ever live. It is certainly difficult to live up to their WWII parents, the "Greatest Generation," but that is no excuse to legislate away from your grandchildren the freedoms you were born with, spend their money and pass the check down the line. It is no excuse to teach our children to live as you did - with a sense of entitlement and a chip on their shoulders that the unfair world "owes them one."
It was the boomers that broke down the fences at Woodstock because they did not want to pay. They got their way -as they always do- but the promoters went bankrupt...the boomers destroy everything they touch.
It was the boomers that extended temporary government safety-net programs into hammocks for the lazy and a refuge for the savvy.
It was the boomers that inherited opulence, opportunity and a dominion over a plaint and shape-able new world...the wealthiest generation in American history, with the future of the world placed in their hands, gift-wrapped.
They chose to throw their money -then our money, then our children's money- down endless holes of credit card debt, entitlement programs, reckless investments and unsustainable policies both at home and abroad.
Now they teach our children that they, too, should not work hard for what they want, but just TAKE it, damn the consequences.
Not every boomer is guilty of this worst sort of moral bankruptcy. But enough are.
That's what sickens me about America. |
Grandpa? Is it you? |
It's quite true.
Add something else to this....
The lovefest between people and celebs. I understand MSM having Tiger Woods in front of the TV and magazines all week long while our President just announce he is sending 30,000 troops to Afghanistan. It's the readers who buy US weekly or whatever gossip magazines you could think of. It's the people at your job talking about Tiger Woods and his 10,000 mistresses.
Some people hate our sensualization of celebrities but we continuously talk about them. |
Are you in Korea? Have you been here long? |
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FredDaSked
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
Location: Within You, Without You
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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1) No crime is worthy of the death penalty.
2) Even if such a crime existed, the government should not be putting people to death. |
All well and good to think that everybody you know understands what you mean anyway, but I don't. This is like building shelves and leaving them sit empty.
Should vigilantes take matters into their own hands? What do you think is the real purpose of a death penalty, anywya? To scare pathological killers into not doing it again? To deter self-defense? I, for one, do not want to share a world where we ostensibly want to be "at peace" with anyone who has taken a (human) life and, statistically, could, would, likely will, again. Reducing the threat is the key. Unfortunately, the disease has many carriers. Always will. Why preserve them alive in jail, prison or somewhere else above ground? Dig a hole, throw 'em in, cover up the threat. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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America the land of the free?? hahahahaha
FREE??? hahhaaah yeah right.... that's funny... |
In America, you're free to voice your opinions, free to practice the religion of your choice, free to vote for the representatives of your choice, free to engage in sexual relationships with the consenting adult of your choice (regardless of their gender), free to pursue economic prosperity in the manner of your choosing, and free to enter and exit the country more or less as you please. These are freedoms many people in the world lack.
What is it that you'd like to do but aren't free to do, exactly? |
last I heard medical treatment was not free!
education is not free...
social welfare of not free..
America is a great place for the rich though.. which is something like 2% of the country.. sure is great for them.. and it seems they have made it to benefit them.. the rest.. well so what.. to bad they say... |
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kiknkorea
Joined: 16 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| The thing that irritates me most about Americans is that they dont really care about the opinions of young, mostly poorly educated people who hve never visited, or lived in the U.S. That really pisses me off!!! |
 I'm a bit slow this morning but I'm smelling sarcasm. |
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jmuns
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
Location: earth
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
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America the land of the free?? :roll: hahahahaha
FREE??? hahhaaah yeah right.... that's funny... |
In America, you're free to voice your opinions, free to practice the religion of your choice, free to vote for the representatives of your choice, free to engage in sexual relationships with the consenting adult of your choice (regardless of their gender), free to pursue economic prosperity in the manner of your choosing, and free to enter and exit the country more or less as you please. These are freedoms many people in the world lack.
What is it that you'd like to do but aren't free to do, exactly? |
last I heard medical treatment was not free!
education is not free...
social welfare of not free..
America is a great place for the rich though.. which is something like 2% of the country.. sure is great for them.. and it seems they have made it to benefit them.. the rest.. well so what.. to bad they say... |
being the 'land of the free' does not mean you get to be a degenerate and get by in life. medical treatment is going to cost money one way or another everywhere you go, whether through taxes, lower costs for sub standard care, or lower costs for better care, it still costs money. education can be free if you put time into your studies and get a scholarship or grants. as for your other ones you are just angry that you couldnt make it in america doing almost no work like you do here in korea. dont be mad though, thats why i like it here as well. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
America the land of the free?? hahahahaha
FREE??? hahhaaah yeah right.... that's funny... |
In America, you're free to voice your opinions, free to practice the religion of your choice, free to vote for the representatives of your choice, free to engage in sexual relationships with the consenting adult of your choice (regardless of their gender), free to pursue economic prosperity in the manner of your choosing, and free to enter and exit the country more or less as you please. These are freedoms many people in the world lack.
What is it that you'd like to do but aren't free to do, exactly? |
last I heard medical treatment was not free!
education is not free...
social welfare of not free.. |
"Land of the Free" refers to political freedoms, not things being free in terms of price. Of course medical treatment, education, and social welfare aren't free. Even if they were paid for entirely by taxes, they still wouldn't be free, we'd just be paying for them through a tax-based model rather than a direct payment-based model. There's no where in the world that education, medical treament, and social welfare are free.
But, I suppose if your criticism is that things cost money, I'm forced to agree with you. Yes, in America -- and everywhere else in the world -- things cost money. |
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