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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| I'd be really interested to hear how many jobs you all worked to put yourselves through college and maintain your living expenses independent of your parents' assistance. |
1. Began working at TGI Fridays as a waiter upon returning to college after a 8 year break to finish my 4 year degree.
2. Worked a retail job along with waiting tables for the next two years.
* Parents once gave me $500.00 for Christmas after the birth of my first son because we were unable to pay the bills that month.
3. Began working as a paid research assistant at my university while attending full time graduate classes and continued waiting tales late into the evening.
Did this for 6 years altogether.
It'll be interesting to see how you cna bring all my past posts on "western women hating" into all this. Anyway I'll be waiting................................................................................ |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| I'd be really interested to hear how many jobs you all worked to put yourselves through college and maintain your living expenses independent of your parents' assistance. |
Why do you qualify your statement with the bolded text? Having parental assistance during college is a wonderful benefit, but that doesn't mean those who lack it have some sort of license to be financially irresponsible. |
I don't think she was giving license for financial irresponsibility, but instead asking how many people would likewise be financially unstable had they not benefited from their parents financial generosity. |
I agree that's probably what she was saying. She seemed, however, to be saying it in an attempt to defend this girl from criticism. Rather than leap to that conclusion, though, I thought I'd ask for clarification. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to hear why her university hikes up the fees by hundreds of dollars every year........that doesn't seem like in line with inflation. Does the Uni have rising costs? What are they?
When I hear how 21 year olds graduate with a $60,000 debt.......something doesn't seem right there. Going to a couple of classes per day for just half the year shouldn't cost that much.
How about, instead of people giving up on college because it's too expensive, capping the fees that Uni's can charge. I smell greed somewhere. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| I'd like to hear why her university hikes up the fees by hundreds of dollars every year........ |
Because people will pay it. So long as people have this insane notion that a college education is a necessity no matter the cost, and are willing to go into substantial debt to obtain one, the cost will keep going up.
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| When I hear how 21 year olds graduate with a $60,000 debt.......something doesn't seem right there. Going to a couple of classes per day for just half the year shouldn't cost that much. |
If it shouldn't cost that much, why do they pay it? And if they're willing to pay it, why shouldn't it cost that much?
There is an over-saturation of college degrees in America. This is proven by the fact that fields which should not demand college degrees have been demanding them for quite some time. This in turn forces people who would not normally need to go to college to pursue their careers to go to college. That isn't a good thing; it creates debt for them and cuts potentially productive, profitable years off of their careers. It directly reduces their quality of life.
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Perceptioncheck
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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I worked in manufacturing while I was in school. I made window blinds, pop-tarts, and even pumped gas. Many people are too good to put in a good days work. It's a fairly ridiculous pretension. I compare it to carnivorous people who condemn hunters for their "cruelty." It is somehow morally superior to pay someone else to bloody their hands in your name. Likewise, consumerists will moan to the government, television, anyone who will listen and sympathize with them, because they are afraid to put in the hours and the strain to work like anyone else.
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I agree with your sentiments 100%. I'm constantly hearing stories from various sources of uni grads who can't get a job in their chosen field and so choose to go on welfare rather than getting their hands dirty stacking shelves or washing dishes.
It's ridiculous and pathetic in equal measure.
Often - but not always - it's these same people who harbour resentment towards immigrants for 'taking their jobs'. And yet most immigrants are doing the jobs they refuse to do.
If the job market continues to worsen, these people are going to have to learn how to get their hands dirty. An awful, small part of me hopes this happens. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| .38 Special wrote: |
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I worked in manufacturing while I was in school. I made window blinds, pop-tarts, and even pumped gas. Many people are too good to put in a good days work. It's a fairly ridiculous pretension. I compare it to carnivorous people who condemn hunters for their "cruelty." It is somehow morally superior to pay someone else to bloody their hands in your name. Likewise, consumerists will moan to the government, television, anyone who will listen and sympathize with them, because they are afraid to put in the hours and the strain to work like anyone else.
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I agree with your sentiments 100%. I'm constantly hearing stories from various sources of uni grads who can't get a job in their chosen field and so choose to go on welfare rather than getting their hands dirty stacking shelves or washing dishes.
It's ridiculous and pathetic in equal measure.
Often - but not always - it's these same people who harbour resentment towards immigrants for 'taking their jobs'. And yet most immigrants are doing the jobs they refuse to do.
If the job market continues to worsen, these people are going to have to learn how to get their hands dirty. An awful, small part of me hopes this happens. |
I don't agree completely. This may be true of a new college graddie but many of us were in fairly good careers and got put out to pasture for one reason or another. People like me who fall under this category have paid our dues so to speak. I'm tired of paying dues everytime i have to start a new career field due to the fact that I was unfortunate to work for a company who refused to keep up with the pace of technology. I've worked as hard if not harder than others on this board and I've bene paid crap for it. That's why I'm in Korea instead of back home working at Burger king with an engineering degree. |
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chonga
Joined: 15 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| I'd be really interested to hear how many jobs you all worked to put yourselves through college and maintain your living expenses independent of your parents' assistance. |
3 jobs. Single mother - so it was tough on finances so I would schedule my classes so that they would all be in the afternoon. I worked at a sporting goods store in the morning, worked a few hours in our university's gym after dinner and then worked with the maintenance team on weekends (shoveling snow, landscaping, groundskeeping, etc.).
All 3 jobs at $6 an hour. Seems crazy to work for that now, but it's what had to be done! |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| I'd be really interested to hear how many jobs you all worked to put yourselves through college and maintain your living expenses independent of your parents' assistance. |
Manged a liquor store through all the degrees. Cheap living, but a good scotch was always there if I needed it, thanks to a generous boss. Made for some interesting study sessions.
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Heh, I have a friend who studies in New York (She is from Korea) and often complains about living expenses, yet she drives around in a Porsche. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| My parents didn't help me financially during university. Always working, no car, no fun, no life... no debt. I'm extremely bitter about it, and have basically no sympathy for any student with a car cause they are all rich, or fools, or both. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| .38 Special wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| I'd be really interested to hear how many jobs you all worked to put yourselves through college and maintain your living expenses independent of your parents' assistance. |
Why do you qualify your statement with the bolded text? Having parental assistance during college is a wonderful benefit, but that doesn't mean those who lack it have some sort of license to be financially irresponsible. |
I don't think she was giving license for financial irresponsibility, but instead asking how many people would likewise be financially unstable had they not benefited from their parents financial generosity. |
I agree that's probably what she was saying. She seemed, however, to be saying it in an attempt to defend this girl from criticism. Rather than leap to that conclusion, though, I thought I'd ask for clarification. |
That's basically what I was getting at. Thank you .38. I genuinely am interested to hear what situation everyone is coming from.
Also, my point is that, while this girl is certainly not the best example, these tuition hikes are a serious problem. There are students who work themselves silly and cut corners absolutely everywhere they can, only to find out they won't be able to finish their next semester because the school is arbitrarily raising tuition just because. Which means, not only do they not get to finish their degree, but they've also potentially gone into a lot of debt for something that will end up being a big waste of time.
Not to mention all the people who already couldn't even consider affording tuition to begin with, who are just plain out of luck. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I was lucky to be lower income when it came to college. I got a lot of the grants and most of my student loan (clocking in at about $12000 after four years) went to living costs that working 30 a week for $8 an hour didn't cover.
The people who had it worse were those who were ineligible for grants/government loans because of their parents' income, but said parents either couldn't or wouldn't support them. According to financial aid calculations, you're a "dependent" until you're 24 I believe.
But then there were those who found a way to deceive the system (say, their parents earned income from abroad) and would manage to make themselves eligible for grants and the like. I always hated them the most because it took benefits away from those who needed them. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| only to find out they won't be able to finish their next semester because the school is arbitrarily raising tuition just because. |
Actually the tuition increases are very justified and I fully support them. It's what's necessary to maintain the UCs and those that need financial aid with likely get it. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:59 am Post subject: |
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BTW:
"Under the proposal, families earning more than $100,000 would pay the full fee increase. Families earning from $60,000 to $100,000 would pay half the fee increase, or about 4.65 percent. Families earning less than $60,000 would not be subject to the fee increase."
Without the additional fees, the UC system would implode. Even with the additional fees, they still had to institute hiring freezes, reduce employee hours, cancel courses, reduce library hours, and lay off workers. Given CA's budget crisis, they might resort to significantly reducing freshman enrollment next year. Fact of the matter is students are still paying only a fraction of the cost of their education in the UC system even after the tuition increase. The tuition increase respresents about one year of iphone service. How many protesters do you think own iphones? I'm guessing a lot of them. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| I'd be really interested to hear how many jobs you all worked to put yourselves through college and maintain your living expenses independent of your parents' assistance. |
Worked full-time during my degree and my M.A. I did not take a penny from my parents at any time for anything.
The person in the video is crying poverty yet she is able to afford a car? Diddums, my heart bleeds. |
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