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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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Criticism often says more about the critic.... than the person being criticised.
Theres a huge amount of projection in criticism.
Every time I see hysterical reports of foreigners "raping Korean women at knifepoint" I have to wonder what sort of society projects these falsehoods onto others.
Right. A society where grown women are given curfews of 10pm because its unsafe for them to walk the streets. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| The Times ( and the Herald- they've got the same market really) are written at about a third or fourth grade reading level, and the Economist is definitely not. |
I'd read somewhere that most general newspapers in North America are only written at about a fifth grade level. |
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hobakmorinam
Joined: 22 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Dear KT:
You're right. It's all our fault. Thanks for setting the record straight.
Bad Foreigner. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
| The Times ( and the Herald- they've got the same market really) are written at about a third or fourth grade reading level, and the Economist is definitely not. |
I'd read somewhere that most general newspapers in North America are only written at about a fifth grade level. |
Lowering the reading level tends to increase circulation numbers- that may be why. Still, The New York Times is probably at at least a high school reading level, as are most prestigious papers worldwide. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I often use Time articles in class, and recommend newsmagazines for my stronger students. I think the reading level is generally higher than a newspaper's. There is even an asian edition, and it's not all stories praising Korea for exporting more paper clips to Ecuador last year than Japan did. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| crossmr wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
| The Times ( and the Herald- they've got the same market really) are written at about a third or fourth grade reading level, and the Economist is definitely not. |
I'd read somewhere that most general newspapers in North America are only written at about a fifth grade level. |
Lowering the reading level tends to increase circulation numbers- that may be why. Still, The New York Times is probably at at least a high school reading level, as are most prestigious papers worldwide. |
I don't think the Korea times nor herald would claim to be the new york times, so I'm not sure how this is a fair criticism of them (while there are plenty of others that could be made) |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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The Joongang has a nice website. Worth checking out and replacing your KT link with.
A decent article today which asks why it's okay for "Chatting with the Beauties" to bash foreign men but not to criticize short (Korean) men.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2913598 |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
| crossmr wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
| The Times ( and the Herald- they've got the same market really) are written at about a third or fourth grade reading level, and the Economist is definitely not. |
I'd read somewhere that most general newspapers in North America are only written at about a fifth grade level. |
Lowering the reading level tends to increase circulation numbers- that may be why. Still, The New York Times is probably at at least a high school reading level, as are most prestigious papers worldwide. |
I don't think the Korea times nor herald would claim to be the new york times, so I'm not sure how this is a fair criticism of them (while there are plenty of others that could be made) |
She was saying that the reason Koreans learning English would opt for the KT or KH instead of the NYT or IHT is because the former is more at their level while the latter may be too difficult for them. Yes, we know most newspapers back home are dumbed down, too, but I don't see USA Today or the Moosejaw Gazette on newsstands here. Relax man, Korea's honour is safe for now. You keep vigilant/paranoid/self-righteous, though |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| The Times ( and the Herald- they've got the same market really) are written at about a third or fourth grade reading level, and the Economist is definitely not. |
I used to agree with the "low reading level for ESL audience" theory, but now I'm not sure. Japanese English newspapers have much, much higher-quality English. Even the English newspaper I read in Cambodia was better than the Korea Times and Herald. Also, I mostly taught myself Korean by reading the normal high-circulation Korean newspapers, so I don't buy that lower reading levels are necessarily helpful. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| crossmr wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
| The Times ( and the Herald- they've got the same market really) are written at about a third or fourth grade reading level, and the Economist is definitely not. |
I'd read somewhere that most general newspapers in North America are only written at about a fifth grade level. |
Lowering the reading level tends to increase circulation numbers- that may be why. Still, The New York Times is probably at at least a high school reading level, as are most prestigious papers worldwide. |
Yes. And the Economist is a level above that. I tutored a few Koreans while I was in grad school, and all of them thought the articles I picked from the Economist were much more difficult to understand than NY Times ones (with Frank Rich's columns being the one exception). |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Every time I see hysterical reports of foreigners "raping Korean women at knifepoint" I have to wonder what sort of society projects these falsehoods onto others.
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Where do you see these reports? Newspaper articles yes? And of those newspaper articles do you have a link where the paper says this as opposed to reporting the words of a racist group like the AES which to my knowledge is the only group that has said anything like that. |
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Reggie
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| How can anyone think the Korea Times is unprofessional when they're the newspaper who printed my "Emperors With No Clothes" article under the penname Ron Jeremy? |
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