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whome?
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 Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: difference between Canada and Korea |
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/12/12/foreign-caregivers.html
if you take a look at that article you see the difference in treatment between foreign workers in Canada and foreign workers in Korea; specifically ESL teachers.
- Doing away with second medical exams vs instituting even more medical exams.
- making residency easier
- granting more rights
- ensuring healthcare coverage
- blacklisting violators
If only the same could be said of Korea... |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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You can't compare Canadian nannies to English Teachers in Korea...oh wait... 
Anyways, before in Korea the requirements were that you had a degree and a pulse. That they made things stricter is a good thing. Conversely, Canada's regulations were stricter to begin with, hence why they are being eased.
Two completely different circumstances. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: difference between Canada and Korea |
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Your first point is right.
Residency is relatively easy here with providing housing. More rights, that certainly isn't happening. Health coverage is by law, but you know how Koreans are with following laws. Korea also blacklists violators.
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/12/12/foreign-caregivers.html
if you take a look at that article you see the difference in treatment between foreign workers in Canada and foreign workers in Korea; specifically ESL teachers.
- Doing away with second medical exams vs instituting even more medical exams.
- making residency easier
- granting more rights
- ensuring healthcare coverage
- blacklisting violators
If only the same could be said of Korea... |
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crossmr
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Do you actually know any foreigner who've worked in Canada?
While it might actually be a little easier for them to get a crap job, even that they're screwed over on.
Employers will take advantage of them, pay them $1-$5 less per hour than Canadians, make them work crap shifts or try to make them work unpaid overtime.
I had a friend who was a surgical nurse in the middle east but had to spend years working at a convenience store because they kept telling him that his English wasn't good enough. While he had a small accent, his English was better than any french person I'd ever met who served me in English at a hospital. |
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supernaut
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
Do you actually know any foreigner who've worked in Canada?
While it might actually be a little easier for them to get a crap job, even that they're screwed over on.
Employers will take advantage of them, pay them $1-$5 less per hour than Canadians, make them work crap shifts or try to make them work unpaid overtime.
I had a friend who was a surgical nurse in the middle east but had to spend years working at a convenience store because they kept telling him that his English wasn't good enough. While he had a small accent, his English was better than any french person I'd ever met who served me in English at a hospital. |
That's probably because your friend was adamant at working at a central hospital in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver or Calgary. Where there is almost no demand for health care workers.
If you friend would have accepted working outside those major cities. I'm almost certain should would have found a job no problem. There is a big need for health care staff in the Atlantic provinces and the Prairies, but most immigrants want to live in Toronto or Vancouver. |
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crossmr
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| supernaut wrote: |
That's probably because your friend was adamant at working at a central hospital in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver or Calgary. Where there is almost no demand for health care workers.
If you friend would have accepted working outside those major cities. I'm almost certain should would have found a job no problem. There is a big need for health care staff in the Atlantic provinces and the Prairies, but most immigrants want to live in Toronto or Vancouver. |
Uh no. They wouldn't let him have his license period. It didn't matter where he wanted to work. He would have been quite happy to go anywhere, but they kept coming back to him and telling him to study English harder. There actually is a big demand for nurses all across Canada, including the big center which is why Alberta government was looking at measures to speed up the process a couple years ago, and the Canadian government finally decided to start speeding up the process by reducing wait times or qualifications verifications and other things like that. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: difference between Canada and Korea |
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| whome? wrote: |
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/12/12/foreign-caregivers.html
if you take a look at that article you see the difference in treatment between foreign workers in Canada and foreign workers in Korea; specifically ESL teachers.
- Doing away with second medical exams vs instituting even more medical exams.
- making residency easier
- granting more rights
- ensuring healthcare coverage
- blacklisting violators
If only the same could be said of Korea... |
A feel-good puff piece.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8859
As the above link makes clear Canada and South Korea have quite a lot in common.
They even claim that workers were sent home from Canada for "inter-racial dating".
We don't experience this back in our home countries because we are citizens. Much like Koreans don't experience much of what we do, because they are citizens.
This leads some to mistakenly assume that this kind of stuff doesn't happen in our home countries...much like some Koreans assert that this doesn't happen here. |
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jvalmer
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| ^ the truth hurts. |
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whome?
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No, the truth doesn't hurt, because that is hardly an issue. Moreover, to have [Mod Edit] who defends Korea at every turn to say something is wrong, says a lot.
There is one fundamental difference between Canada and Korea in terms of these issues: the CHarter. As soon as you set foot on Canadian soil doesn't matter where you're from or even if you're there illegally, you're protected. No such protection exists here in Korea.
And if you want to compare the treatment of migrant workers in Canada and Korea you've lost your marbles. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:41 am Post subject: |
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At the same time one has to wonder that if Korea is such a terrible place where we have no protection and the AES could emerge from any alley at any given time, why are we still here? Where is the stream of body bags? Where are the overflowing prisons of foreigners?
Kinda reminds me of the Global Warming types who say that the Earth is dying but fly around in Private Jets and ride in Limos.
Sound and Fury Signifying Nothing. |
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Burndog
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| whome? wrote: |
And if you want to compare the treatment of migrant workers in Canada and Korea you've lost your marbles. |
Yes...you have. Lost your marbles I mean. |
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Tundra_Creature
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| crossmr wrote: |
| supernaut wrote: |
That's probably because your friend was adamant at working at a central hospital in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver or Calgary. Where there is almost no demand for health care workers.
If you friend would have accepted working outside those major cities. I'm almost certain should would have found a job no problem. There is a big need for health care staff in the Atlantic provinces and the Prairies, but most immigrants want to live in Toronto or Vancouver. |
Uh no. They wouldn't let him have his license period. It didn't matter where he wanted to work. He would have been quite happy to go anywhere, but they kept coming back to him and telling him to study English harder. There actually is a big demand for nurses all across Canada, including the big center which is why Alberta government was looking at measures to speed up the process a couple years ago, and the Canadian government finally decided to start speeding up the process by reducing wait times or qualifications verifications and other things like that. |
Agree with this.
Montreal also has a huge problem with being understaffed in both doctors and nurses. I'm not entirely knowledgable in the area, but from what I understand from what an old coworker told me, some of the requirements are very bizzarre to get, the placements are odd, and so forth, so a lot of these workers just go somewhere else to get a job. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| whome? wrote: |
No, the truth doesn't hurt, because that is hardly an issue. Moreover, to have [Mod Edit] who defends Korea at every turn to say something is wrong, says a lot.
There is one fundamental difference between Canada and Korea in terms of these issues: the CHarter. As soon as you set foot on Canadian soil doesn't matter where you're from or even if you're there illegally, you're protected. No such protection exists here in Korea.
And if you want to compare the treatment of migrant workers in Canada and Korea you've lost your marbles. |
The Charter notwithstanding, the government can deport any illegal alien it wishes (and has done so in the past and will do so again).
And as the link I posted shows, many migrant workers who come to Canada are treated even worse then most teachers here. As for the Charter, if they don't know about it, it isn't going to help them. The relevant government agency isn't enforcing the laws and standards for them or their employers wouldn't be able to get away with this. They've been doing this for years on end. |
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crossmr
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| whome? wrote: |
No, the truth doesn't hurt, because that is hardly an issue. Moreover, to have [Mod Edit] who defends Korea at every turn to say something is wrong, says a lot.
There is one fundamental difference between Canada and Korea in terms of these issues: the CHarter. As soon as you set foot on Canadian soil doesn't matter where you're from or even if you're there illegally, you're protected. No such protection exists here in Korea.
And if you want to compare the treatment of migrant workers in Canada and Korea you've lost your marbles. |
The Charter notwithstanding, the government can deport any illegal alien it wishes (and has done so in the past and will do so again).
And as the link I posted shows, many migrant workers who come to Canada are treated even worse then most teachers here. As for the Charter, if they don't know about it, it isn't going to help them. The relevant government agency isn't enforcing the laws and standards for them or their employers wouldn't be able to get away with this. They've been doing this for years on end. |
They can't. They can't do jack for Canadians, what makes you think they can do anything for immigrants?
If you're not paid in Canada the best the labour board can do is say "Pay this guy in 10 days or uhm..we'll send you another letter. and start a file!"
it took them hundreds and hundreds of complaints and many years to put together a case to fine one company $30000 for making their workers cash their pay cheques at their stores and pay their shorts before giving them their money. |
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Captain Obvious
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| One is mighty insecure because it's always overshadowed by a better known more powerful neighbor and the other is ... oh wait, you said differences. |
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