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asylum seeker
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 Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: The Republican Party's health-care hypocrisy |
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Some of the biggest critics of the democrat's attempt at health-care reform are conveniently forgetting that they themselves push through a more expensive bill not long ago that failed to achieve anything much:
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The real significance of that episode, however, is not their bad manners but the policy Republicans produced the last time health care was on the menu. Their bill, which stands as the biggest expansion of government's role in health care since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965, created an entitlement for seniors to purchase low-cost drug coverage. Simply stated, the law is complicated as hell, costs a fortune, still isn't paid for, and doesn't do all that much�though it does include coverage for end-of-life counseling, or what Grassley now calls "pulling the plug on Grandma."
In their 2009 report to Congress, the Medicare trustees estimate that the 10-year cost of Medicare Part D is as high as $1.2 trillion. That figure�just for prescription-drug coverage that people over 65 still have to pay a lot of money for�dwarfs the $848 billion cost of the Senate bill. The price of prescription coverage continues to escalate because the law explicitly bars the government from using its market power to negotiate drug prices with manufacturers or establishing a formulary with approved medications. And unlike the Democratic bills, which the Congressional Budget Office says won't add to the deficit, the bill George W. Bush signed was financed entirely through deficit spending. Former comptroller general David M. Walker has called it "probably the most fiscally irresponsible piece of legislation since the 1960s." |
http://www.newsweek.com/id/226481
Guess some of these people have short memories, huh? |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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ontheway
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:32 am Post subject: Re: The Republican Party's health-care hypocrisy |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
Some of the biggest critics of the democrat's attempt at health-care reform are conveniently forgetting that they themselves push through a more expensive bill not long ago that failed to achieve anything much:
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The real significance of that episode, however, is not their bad manners but the policy Republicans produced the last time health care was on the menu. Their bill, which stands as the biggest expansion of government's role in health care since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965, created an entitlement for seniors to purchase low-cost drug coverage. Simply stated, the law is complicated as hell, costs a fortune, still isn't paid for, and doesn't do all that much�though it does include coverage for end-of-life counseling, or what Grassley now calls "pulling the plug on Grandma."
In their 2009 report to Congress, the Medicare trustees estimate that the 10-year cost of Medicare Part D is as high as $1.2 trillion. That figure�just for prescription-drug coverage that people over 65 still have to pay a lot of money for�dwarfs the $848 billion cost of the Senate bill. The price of prescription coverage continues to escalate because the law explicitly bars the government from using its market power to negotiate drug prices with manufacturers or establishing a formulary with approved medications. And unlike the Democratic bills, which the Congressional Budget Office says won't add to the deficit, the bill George W. Bush signed was financed entirely through deficit spending. Former comptroller general David M. Walker has called it "probably the most fiscally irresponsible piece of legislation since the 1960s." |
http://www.newsweek.com/id/226481
Guess some of these people have short memories, huh? |
Yes, obviously the R party is capable of being just as wrongheaded and evil as the D party.
This bad legislation should be repealed right after the national health care takeover attempt of the D party has failed. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:49 am Post subject: Re: The Republican Party's health-care hypocrisy |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
Some of the biggest critics of the democrat's attempt at health-care reform are conveniently forgetting that they themselves push through a more expensive bill not long ago that failed to achieve anything much:
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The real significance of that episode, however, is not their bad manners but the policy Republicans produced the last time health care was on the menu. Their bill, which stands as the biggest expansion of government's role in health care since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965, created an entitlement for seniors to purchase low-cost drug coverage. Simply stated, the law is complicated as hell, costs a fortune, still isn't paid for, and doesn't do all that much�though it does include coverage for end-of-life counseling, or what Grassley now calls "pulling the plug on Grandma."
In their 2009 report to Congress, the Medicare trustees estimate that the 10-year cost of Medicare Part D is as high as $1.2 trillion. That figure�just for prescription-drug coverage that people over 65 still have to pay a lot of money for�dwarfs the $848 billion cost of the Senate bill. The price of prescription coverage continues to escalate because the law explicitly bars the government from using its market power to negotiate drug prices with manufacturers or establishing a formulary with approved medications. And unlike the Democratic bills, which the Congressional Budget Office says won't add to the deficit, the bill George W. Bush signed was financed entirely through deficit spending. Former comptroller general David M. Walker has called it "probably the most fiscally irresponsible piece of legislation since the 1960s." |
http://www.newsweek.com/id/226481
Guess some of these people have short memories, huh? |
The Republicans and Democrats are on the same team. The fact that you don't even know that shows that you basically know nothing. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: The Republican Party's health-care hypocrisy |
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| ontheway wrote: |
Yes, obviously the R party is capable of being just as wrongheaded and evil as the D party.
This bad legislation should be repealed right after the national health care takeover attempt of the D party has failed. |
Alas, seniors vote in high numbers, and any Senator espousing a repeal of this awful entitelment is saying good-bye to his job. |
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asylum seeker
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: The Republican Party's health-care hypocrisy |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| asylum seeker wrote: |
Some of the biggest critics of the democrat's attempt at health-care reform are conveniently forgetting that they themselves push through a more expensive bill not long ago that failed to achieve anything much:
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The real significance of that episode, however, is not their bad manners but the policy Republicans produced the last time health care was on the menu. Their bill, which stands as the biggest expansion of government's role in health care since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965, created an entitlement for seniors to purchase low-cost drug coverage. Simply stated, the law is complicated as hell, costs a fortune, still isn't paid for, and doesn't do all that much�though it does include coverage for end-of-life counseling, or what Grassley now calls "pulling the plug on Grandma."
In their 2009 report to Congress, the Medicare trustees estimate that the 10-year cost of Medicare Part D is as high as $1.2 trillion. That figure�just for prescription-drug coverage that people over 65 still have to pay a lot of money for�dwarfs the $848 billion cost of the Senate bill. The price of prescription coverage continues to escalate because the law explicitly bars the government from using its market power to negotiate drug prices with manufacturers or establishing a formulary with approved medications. And unlike the Democratic bills, which the Congressional Budget Office says won't add to the deficit, the bill George W. Bush signed was financed entirely through deficit spending. Former comptroller general David M. Walker has called it "probably the most fiscally irresponsible piece of legislation since the 1960s." |
http://www.newsweek.com/id/226481
Guess some of these people have short memories, huh? |
The Republicans and Democrats are on the same team. The fact that you don't even know that shows that you basically know nothing. |
I don't think it's as simple as that. There are democrats who genuinely want to change things for the better but they've been constantly frustrated by the republicans and blue-dog democrats who all seem to be lapdogs of medical industry lobbyists. Obama is not all-powerful, he has to try and negotiate with these people to get laws passed but all they do is stymie and stall and then idiots blame Obama when nothing gets done. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:37 am Post subject: Re: The Republican Party's health-care hypocrisy |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| The Republicans and Democrats are on the same team. The fact that you don't even know that shows that you basically know nothing. |
I don't think it's as simple as that. There are democrats who genuinely want to change things for the better but they've been constantly frustrated by the republicans and blue-dog democrats who all seem to be lapdogs of medical industry lobbyists. Obama is not all-powerful, he has to try and negotiate with these people to get laws passed but all they do is stymie and stall and then idiots blame Obama when nothing gets done. |
Obama is also a lapdog of medical industry lobbyists. The fact that you don't even know that also shows what vq said. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:15 am Post subject: Re: The Republican Party's health-care hypocrisy |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| asylum seeker wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| The Republicans and Democrats are on the same team. The fact that you don't even know that shows that you basically know nothing. |
I don't think it's as simple as that. There are democrats who genuinely want to change things for the better but they've been constantly frustrated by the republicans and blue-dog democrats who all seem to be lapdogs of medical industry lobbyists. Obama is not all-powerful, he has to try and negotiate with these people to get laws passed but all they do is stymie and stall and then idiots blame Obama when nothing gets done. |
Obama is also a lapdog of medical industry lobbyists. The fact that you don't even know that also shows what vq said. |
Yes, anyone who doesn't believe in your conspiracy theories knows nothing. Great point. You are a very skilled debater. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:54 am Post subject: Re: The Republican Party's health-care hypocrisy |
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| idiots blame Obama when nothing gets done. |
I'm an idiot, then. Obama took single-payer right off the table without any pressure. A skilled negotiator would have started the debate with everything on the table, especially if he doesn't actually want single-payer but also knows single-payer is impossible to the moderates. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: The Republican Party's health-care hypocrisy |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| asylum seeker wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| The Republicans and Democrats are on the same team. The fact that you don't even know that shows that you basically know nothing. |
I don't think it's as simple as that. There are democrats who genuinely want to change things for the better but they've been constantly frustrated by the republicans and blue-dog democrats who all seem to be lapdogs of medical industry lobbyists. Obama is not all-powerful, he has to try and negotiate with these people to get laws passed but all they do is stymie and stall and then idiots blame Obama when nothing gets done. |
Obama is also a lapdog of medical industry lobbyists. The fact that you don't even know that also shows what vq said. |
Yes, anyone who doesn't believe in your conspiracy theories knows nothing. Great point. You are a very skilled debater. |
OK, you're right. Obama loves you and is trying to help you.  |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: The Republican Party's health-care hypocrisy |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| asylum seeker wrote: |
| idiots blame Obama when nothing gets done. |
I'm an idiot, then. Obama took single-payer right off the table without any pressure. A skilled negotiator would have started the debate with everything on the table, especially if he doesn't actually want single-payer but also knows single-payer is impossible to the moderates. |
You credit him personally with far too much power. Yes, possibly he could have negotiated better but the companies who have thrown out hundreds of millions of lobbying dollars to scuttle the bill and their republican and blue-dog allies should shoulder far more of the blame. I think people are being obtuse if they can't recognize that. |
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asylum seeker
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: The Republican Party's health-care hypocrisy |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| asylum seeker wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| asylum seeker wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| The Republicans and Democrats are on the same team. The fact that you don't even know that shows that you basically know nothing. |
I don't think it's as simple as that. There are democrats who genuinely want to change things for the better but they've been constantly frustrated by the republicans and blue-dog democrats who all seem to be lapdogs of medical industry lobbyists. Obama is not all-powerful, he has to try and negotiate with these people to get laws passed but all they do is stymie and stall and then idiots blame Obama when nothing gets done. |
Obama is also a lapdog of medical industry lobbyists. The fact that you don't even know that also shows what vq said. |
Yes, anyone who doesn't believe in your conspiracy theories knows nothing. Great point. You are a very skilled debater. |
OK, you're right. Obama loves you and is trying to help you. |
Now you're getting with the program!  |
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Illysook
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So here's a question to think about:
Will untying the knot between employment and insurance encourage more entrepreneurship?
Some people think that this could be the case because potential entrepreneurs wont have to stick with whatever corporate jobs that they are holding just to provide their families with insurance. I think that my boyfriend might be in this position. When laid off, he began consulting and making pretty good money for a start up, however his COBRA payments were so high that when offered the opportunity to return to work with hi former employer, he took it. |
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