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Geckoman
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ashland
Joined: 05 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans Flock to Join U.S. Army |
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so what's your point? |
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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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As you can see from the first photo, they're practicing their ability to fly.  |
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mcviking
Joined: 24 Mar 2009 Location: 'Fantastic' America
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder what it would be like to first be in the Korean Army and then The United States Army? Lots of running a PT I guess. Sounds like a big bucket of suck to me. I'll stick with cat in the hat. |
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Location: Nowon-gu
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:18 am Post subject: |
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I'm uncertain about how hard military service is on enlisted men here in Korea. From hearsay, I suppose it might be more demanding in the U.S. armed forces. No one is forcing these men and women to join the army in America. Those who are already citizens could pay for their university education with loans, albeit putting themselves in debt. Others who want American citizenship, though, have found a feasible way to live permanently on U.S. soil. The price to pay, though, is the hard fact they may get sent to Afghanistan or Iraq, as well as the difficulty of exiting their solider duties (e.g. stop gap measures). Again, these people know this, and no one is forcing them to enlist. By the way, how long as America offered U.S. citizenship to those willing to join? |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:24 am Post subject: |
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And if you join the US military, you're in for 4 years minimum, correct? Korean army is 2 1/4 or so. |
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Location: Nowon-gu
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:32 am Post subject: |
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For the U.S. military, it's 8 years. It's 4 years active duty, and the remaining 4 are spent either in the reserves or on inactive duty. Inactive duty means you can be called back into the military if they say they need you, like in a time of war of if your services are needed. It's the military's choice and determination, of course. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:55 am Post subject: |
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bassexpander wrote: |
And if you join the US military, you're in for 4 years minimum, correct? Korean army is 2 1/4 or so. |
And the US army actually pays a wage. |
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Bog Roll
Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Good on them, people complain about immigrants who don't contribute.
I made enquiries about joining the US army after those American hostages got beheaded in Iraq (I think around 2004-2005) those barbaric acts made me so sick and disgusted that I would have joined but it looks as if you need at least permemant residence if not citizenship. (and I have neither)
It is good that they are doing it. As for Korean military service being harder? I know for a fact British military training is far harder than anything those numpties have to go through.  |
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ReeseDog

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: Classified
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Bog Roll wrote: |
I know for a fact British military training is far harder than anything those numpties have to go through.  |
Riiiiight...perhaps for Her Majesty's SAS. |
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Bog Roll
Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:21 am Post subject: |
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ReeseDog wrote: |
Bog Roll wrote: |
I know for a fact British military training is far harder than anything those numpties have to go through.  |
Riiiiight...perhaps for Her Majesty's SAS. |
I've done it, and its a fact that the basic training to be a British infantry soldier in a bog standard county line regiment is 24 weeks before you pass out and get sent to your regiment - that my friend is the longest basic infantry training of any army on the planet.
The Royal Marines (which is the infantry regiment of the Royal Navy) is 30 weeks and its tough - and thats the longest basic training of any infantry regiment on the planet. Just don't come on here and bleat how tough it is in the ROK military like those numpty adjosshis who do their 2 years and go back to preening in their hand held mirrors, playing WoW all day.
Along with the US army - the British army is the most battle harderned army on the planet - its been on active service on a continuous basis since world war 2 - again - longer than most militaries - unless you call gawping at the north at the DMZ 'active service' I certainly wouldn't. |
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Deep Thirteen
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Location: Swamp Land
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Bog on a Roll! |
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shinramyun
Joined: 31 Jul 2009
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Bog Roll wrote: |
Along with the US army - the British army is the most battle harderned army on the planet - its been on active service on a continuous basis since world war 2 - again - longer than most militaries - unless you call gawping at the north at the DMZ 'active service' I certainly wouldn't. |
Russians comes into my mind when it comes to battle hardened army.
They taught those silly Georgians a lesson recently. |
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mc_jc

Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: |
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it's a total of 8 years as another poster mentioned. It could be done as either a 2,3 or 4 year contract. However, they could call you back anytime since you are placed in the IRR, which is a pool of former soldiers who could be called back (and some are) if their skill is needed.
Also, the military fast-tracks citizenship by giving citizenship to those who serve for a period of 3 years or more. Unlike the regular 5 years under normal circumstances.
Luckily, we are not in a declared state of war with anyone. If a person in the military read their contract carefully, it will read that the person would be stuck in the military for the duration of the war plus 6 months. The last time that was done was during WWII. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Bog Roll wrote: |
ReeseDog wrote: |
Bog Roll wrote: |
I know for a fact British military training is far harder than anything those numpties have to go through.  |
Riiiiight...perhaps for Her Majesty's SAS. |
I've done it, and its a fact that the basic training to be a British infantry soldier in a bog standard county line regiment is 24 weeks before you pass out and get sent to your regiment - that my friend is the longest basic infantry training of any army on the planet.
The Royal Marines (which is the infantry regiment of the Royal Navy) is 30 weeks and its tough - and thats the longest basic training of any infantry regiment on the planet. Just don't come on here and bleat how tough it is in the ROK military like those numpty adjosshis who do their 2 years and go back to preening in their hand held mirrors, playing WoW all day.
Along with the US army - the British army is the most battle harderned army on the planet - its been on active service on a continuous basis since world war 2 - again - longer than most militaries - unless you call gawping at the north at the DMZ 'active service' I certainly wouldn't. |
Don't forget the Israelis.
And as for Korea's, you clearly are forgetting the 350,000 Koreans that went to Vietnam and had a very good combat record and a superlative COIN record. The veterans of that conflict have formed the leadership core since then.
Brits would be wise not to underestimate soldiers based on simple observations. The commander of the garrison at Singapore in WWII dismissed the Japanese based on appearances, ignoring their combat record against Russia and the Chinese. That was a mistake to say the least.
On a personal level of my experience with this issue, the Ann Arbor News back home did a major story on the second casualty our city suffered during the Iraq War. His name was Andy Kim, he was a Marine. I didn't personally know him, but he was friends with several of my friends and was a congregant at a church I occasionally visited. After High School, he joined up because he always wanted to be a Marine and to be a minister in the Marine Corps. His parents had the typical hesitation and strongly disagreed with his decision. They wanted him to go to college. He still went and served in the infantry so that when he preached he would be able to his congregation "I've been there too." The others in the unit thought he was one of the bravest guys in there, even more so considering he was one of the smallest guys there.
After his death, his body was returned and the article was written. Among the anecdotes were that his parents were stunned to be driven out to the airport in a limo and police escort paid for by the city, the fact that the mayor was at the funeral, the support showed by the American Legion, the numbers of former Marines that showed up to the funeral, and how the respect accorded to their son and family. This was far different from what happens in Korea. The way their son viewed his life and the impact it had brought about a change in their opinion of military service, and caused his dad to accept Faith. Before he enlisted, his parents had asked "What if you die?" he said "That would be honorable, and I hope I will be buried at Arlington." He is resting there now. |
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