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Poll: How many of you are REAL teachers?
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Poll: How many of you are REAL teachers?
Yes
53%
 53%  [ 34 ]
No
46%
 46%  [ 29 ]
Total Votes : 63

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buckeye101



Joined: 09 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:00 am    Post subject: Poll: How many of you are REAL teachers? Reply with quote

That is, how many of you hold bachelor degrees in Education?
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Re: Poll: How many of you are REAL teachers? Reply with quote

buckeye101 wrote:
That is, how many of you hold bachelor degrees in Education?

Laughing flamebait

way to violate dave's term of service! keep it up and a temp ban may be in your future!
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Poll: How many of you are REAL teachers?


That is, how many of you hold bachelor degrees in Education?




How many of you are wise enough to recognize that these are two independent questions and will choose to ignore this troll poll?
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Jeonmunka



Joined: 05 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is, how many of you hold bachelor degrees in Education?

Talk about a very ethnocentric condition. I have the Graduate Diploma of Teaching and Learning (GradDipTch&Ln) and am registered for public school in ~ country.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeonmunka wrote:
I have the Graduate Diploma of Teaching and Learning (GradDipTch&Ln) and am registered for public school in ~ country. I am a real teacher.

Don't bite at the flamebait.

Ten years teaching ESL or have a MA TESOL? Not a real teacher eh. My seven years of teaching ESL and CELTA still doesn't make me a real teacher. Yet I'd go head to head against any greenhorn B.Ed. grad any day of the week in a classroom teaching contest to see who is better at English language teaching.

Oh,... I just bit. BURNED.

*exits thread*
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Jeonmunka wrote:
I have the Graduate Diploma of Teaching and Learning (GradDipTch&Ln) and am registered for public school in ~ country. I am a real teacher.

Don't bite at the flamebait.

Ten years teaching ESL or have a MA TESOL? Not a real teacher eh. My seven years of teaching ESL and CELTA still doesn't make me a real teacher. Yet I'd go head to head against any greenhorn B.Ed. grad any day of the week in a classroom teaching contest to see who is better at English language teaching.

Oh,... I just bit. BURNED.

*exits thread*


Why don't you look at this thread the way I did:

The poll is asking one thing, the OP is asking another.

Before I got a B.Ed I considered myself a REAL teacher, and the only thing that has changed between then and now is I have an expensive piece of paper that says so. (And I guess the other thing that has changed is I moved on from ESL, but that does in now way mean ESL isn't real teaching!)

To VI: 90% of those who graduated from my B.Ed cohort were really good teachers, so I am not sure you would want to go head to head with them in teaching. Of course, in the Korean context you would blow them out of the water.
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Sadebugo1



Joined: 11 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think a B.ED is necessarily the best qualification for teaching EFL, is it? Spot on, is an MATESL/TEFL if I'm not mistaken. So, a teacher is only a real teacher if they have the appropriate field of study regardless of certification. Am I wrong?

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sigmundsmith



Joined: 22 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are talking about a real teacher as someone who has an education degree and teachers various subjects, well many would answer yes.

If you are talking about someone who has many years teaching efl across different levels, approaches their work professionally, has desired and sought academic advancement such as a graduate diploma of masters degree. Then yes many here would see themselves as professional teachers.

But someone with an education degree does not necessarily make the best efl teacher.

I look at it this way, someone who has focused on a particular area of education and progressed academically, then yes, I see them as professionals in their field. The same as someone who is a music teacher or a phys ed teacher.
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Changwon Charlie



Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, i am a supposed "real" teacher.

In saying that some of the worst teachers I have seen have been holders of degrees in education. The very worst (which you can see in the freaky foreigner thread) was a masters of TESOL education.
Some of the best teachers were people that held a degree in no way related to education.

Teaching is all how well you can relate to people and their strengths and weaknesses. A degree is helpful for strategies and techniques but once you get in the classroom I have found it to be not too useful.

Just because you have a piece of paper doesn't make youy a good teacher.
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ReeseDog



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP considers only those with education degrees to be "real" teachers? I imagine that that idea is offensive to many here. I submit that those who teach are real teachers. Someone look up the definition.

Yes, I have a B.S.Ed., and I consider anyone who teaches to be a colleague and a real teacher.



Dang. Am I feeding the troll?
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outkast_3000



Joined: 20 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the B.Ed holder who doesn't teach?

Anyways, the more appropriate question would have been "How many of you have B.Ed's?"

I'll say this, I'll go toe-to-toe with anyone teaching English lit. and Social Studies - but EFL? Nope.

When I started here in '07, I had no clue what I was doing. I knew how to do a proper lesson plan, I knew how to structure and organize different kinds of activities that fit developmental stages of learning, the class was always under control - but...the kids weren't learning anything.

It wasn't until I took my TESOL cert. after a few months of frustration and guilt that things turned around.

In any case, a B.Ed doesn't make you a "real" teacher in a one degree fits all kind of way. All B.Ed holders are specialized into certain areas, so by qualifications I'm a "real" teacher of English Lit. and Social Studies, but not in EFL.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have masters of eduation in "not caring." Razz
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jhuntingtonus



Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Location: Jeonju

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can do it all, have taught everyone from kindergarteners to post-college adults, have the complete set of degrees, but no teaching certifications. It's great I don't need those also.
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: First one Reply with quote

Ramen wrote:
I have masters of eduation in "not caring." Razz


I believe we have found the first person to admit not being a real teacher. You can't be a good teacher if you simply don't care.
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Captain Obvious



Joined: 23 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a ridiculous question. Anyone who needs to ask that about ESL in Korea obviously isn't a real teacher here.

OP, here's a better one. "Who here is a real professor?" Think about it. Asking who's a real teacher is just as stupid.
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