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raewon



Joined: 16 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject: as much as (grammar question) Reply with quote

Happy New Year everyone.

I need to know if the following structures are grammatically correct or not:

1. He ate cake as much as possible.
2. He ate cake as much as he could.

I'd say "He ate cake as often as possible." and
"He ate cake as often as he could."
I'd also say, "He ate as much cake as possible." and "He ate as much cake as he could."

Michael Swan says "As much/many can be used without a following noun."
He gives the following examples:
"I ate as much as I wanted." and "Rest as much as possible." Of course both of these sound natural to me, but they don't really support my original sentences above.

What do you think?

Thanks.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

placing the object "cake" would make more sense after as much.

He ate as much cake as possible.
He ate as much cake as he could.
He worked as many hours as he could.
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raewon



Joined: 16 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your reply. I totally agree. But I need to know whether or not

1. He ate cake as much as possible.
2. He ate cake as much as he could.

are wrong or not.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raewon wrote:
Thanks for your reply. I totally agree. But I need to know whether or not

1. He ate cake as much as possible.
2. He ate cake as much as he could.

are wrong or not.


They are both incorrect.


Quote:


"He ate cake as often as possible."
"He ate cake as often as he could."
"He ate as much cake as possible."
"He ate as much cake as he could."


These four are all correct.
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raewon wrote:
Thanks for your reply. I totally agree. But I need to know whether or not

1. He ate cake as much as possible.
2. He ate cake as much as he could.

are wrong or not.


You are asking a very specific question here.
Semantically, the sentences are misleading, and on that basis alone, could be said to be prescriptively wrong.
Using 'much' is ambiguous with 'cake' in object position. Does much refer to the quantity of cake eaten, or the number of times cake was eaten?
I believe you answered your own question in the original OP with your correct interpretations...nicely done. Cool
If you need a specific right or wrong...then wrong.
But I feel there could be descriptive uses that will show that construction has uses...though I don't think with an object in that position.
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Reise-ohne-Ende



Joined: 07 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a feeling the "He ate cake as much as possible" construction is perfectly acceptable in some descriptive contexts...but only in situations where "as often as possible" sounds too stilted or formal. Prescriptively, and for ESL learners, there's no reason they should be learning that form. Then again, if someone wrote that on a test, I probably wouldn't correct it unless they were at a very very high level of ESL.
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maingman



Joined: 26 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:01 pm    Post subject: . Reply with quote

http://www.britishcouncil.org/professionals-grammar-movies.htm

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