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Are Koreans Terrible Managers?
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HardyandTiny



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this should be part of the oxymoron thread.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:07 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
mindmetoo wrote,
Working for a hackwon in seoul is no different from working for a dot.com in Seattle.

Is it seoul or Seoul or SEOUL?

Do they hack won in Seoul? Well, the Seoulites in Kangnam can afford to.
How much won can one earn (or hack) in Seattle?

Seattle is like Seoul?
Is coffee in Seoul like coffee in Seattle?
Is the environment in Seoul like the environment in Seattle?

Seoul and Seattle have similar company headquarters?

Company: Boeing
Type of Business: Aerospace manufacturer
Web Address: www.boeing.com

Costco
Membership warehouses
www.costco.com

Microsoft
Software developer
www.microsoft.com

Weyerhaeuser
Pulp/paper products
www.weyerhaeuser.com

Washington Mutual
Bank
www.wamu.com

Paccar
Heavy-duty truck manufacturer
www.paccar.com

Safeco
Insurance/financial services
www.safeco.com

Nordstrom
Apparel retailer
www.nordstrom.com

Puget Sound Energy
Electric and natural gas utility
www.pse.com

Airborne Freight
Express delivery
www.airborne.com

Amazon.com
Online Retailer
www.amazon.com

Alaska Air Group
Holding co./Alaska & Horizon Air
www.alaska-air.com

Starbucks
Coffee company
www.starbucks.com

VoiceStream Wireless
National wireless network
www.voicestream.com

Expeditors International of WA
International freight forwarding
www.expd.com

AT&T Wireless Group
Digital wireless network
www.attws.com

Seattle Datasheet
http://www.pan.ci.seattle.wa.us/oir/datasheet/


Are you picking apart someone's spelling? Petty petty petty.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on the boss. If employees are foreigners and the Korean uses the Korean Confucian sysytem, the foreigners will probably dislike it. If the korean has no foreign language skills and little awareness or understanding of other cultures.... that's a problem. I think that person should not manage foreigners. If it's all Korean, well, I don't know!
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Butterfly



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Are Koreans Terrible Managers? Reply with quote

Well I'd say that the Korean management style works for Koreans, but fails to work in most other cultures. Someone mentioned South East Asian countries and how they prefer not to work with Korean firms however, that is only in comparison to Western firms among the foreign firms that set up there. I think many Asian firms use the same practices.

It is changing however, since foreign companies have moved into Korea new concepts of productivity are being banded around. Middle managers don't like younger guys who are too smart (or smarter than them) and are insecure about their middle aged lack of crativity, but international competitiveness demands that creativity and innovation will determine a country's future. A lot of middle-aged middle managers will need to go in for early retirement I think, if Korean companies are going to get anywhere. Sad though that is, its not their fault.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke to a couple of American personnel/training managers in Itaewon.They were over here to revamp the management systems of the Korean branches of an American owned company. What they told me was pretty interesting...
They had a programme to send Koreans to work in the U.S for a year at a time to, gain management experience and learn skills, and they were putting these newly trained people in managerial positions here, replacing the old guard. They were having a strenuous time retiring off the senior people here.
Basically they said that the Korean heirarchical system differs from the U.S in a number of ways: In Korea
1) Promotion is based on seniority rather than merit
2) Qualifications are secondary to "who you know".
3) The best talent in Korea cannot rise to the top, be noticed or allowed to achieve- because a junior worker cannot possibly be seen to be better t his job than an older person.
4) The workplace is beset by outdated rigid social structures and a lack of clear/ easy communication.
5) senior workers were utterly amazed by the concept of being made redundant or given redundancy payments. They felt a right to "a job for life" no matter what.
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sadsac



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Gwangwang

PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean management has one intrinsic flaw, communication. Information only goes one way and when something goes wrong, they have to have someone to blame. The buck never stops anywhere here. Smile
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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

psychedelic wrote:
Hi Juan,
Yes, they are. They suck because in general Koreans are quick-tempered,close-minded,stupid,xenophobic,immature,ridiculous,arrogant,ignorant,prideful,stubborn,impatient..BALI BALI,lacking in common sense or empathy/understanding for others and frankly don't give a damn about empoyees or anyone else but themselves and their CIRCLE. (family and friends) I have met so many Koreans that have lived overseas and they still are the SAME as I've mentioned above. NO CHANGE. I would NEVER work for a Korean in my home country.

Have a nice day!


Shocked Do I need to have my eyes examined. Was this really posted by the same person whose respose to those who thought Korea was boring was:
"Racist Whiteys, why don't you go beep yourself? A******."

Seriously man, have you ever thought about being treated for multiple personalities?
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Shadow



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Pusan, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:56 am    Post subject: Yes, Koreans are terrible managers! Reply with quote

Dear Juan,

I couldn't agree with you more. They are terrible managers and they micro-manage everything. As a result, the things that are important and have priority get overlooked and left completely out of the equation. They have no concept of time or how to deal with people as human beings. Hey, I'm a person first and a worker second. In Korea, you do what Wan-jang-nim says or else. People say we can't change the culture and they're right. However, that doesn't mean we should cow-down to Wang-jang-nim no matter how stupid his or her logic is concerned. As far as I'm concerned, we're in there to give'em a belly-whopper every time out. For working in Korea, I recommend reading "The Art of War." It can be read online at http://www.mailsbroadcast.com/the.artofwar.1.htm
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