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wylies99



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: 'Korean education fails to foster critical thinking' Reply with quote

'Korean education fails to foster critical thinking'

http://asiancorrespondent.com/korea-beat/korean-education-fails-to-foster-critical-thinking

That's the title to this Hankyoreh article, which was published back in December, and spent too long buried in my bookmarks.

There has been controversy in our country over the picture drawn of an organization of native speakers teaching English. They are subject to criticism mainly for degrading Korea, doing drugs, forging diplomas, and chasing money. This reflects the negative attitude we have towards native speakers who come to Korea to teach English.

What do they think of Korea, Koreans, and Korean schools? We met wih 15 native speaker of English teachers from elementary, middle, and high schools in Korea.

Asked the weak point of Korean education, all of them replied, "students have no way to develop their own abilities." A high school teacher from Canada said, "because they are not taught to think critically the students seem to wind up not knowing what their own strong and weak points are... Korean education focusses on preparing students for exams, so I think it has much effect on improving teenagers' behavior."

On the subject of Korean students' English schoolwork, one teacher said, "the way I see it, Korean students have no self-confidence to think that they can be better at English... When you study English, of course you are going to make mistakes, but Korean students are afraid of mistakes and take a passive approach to speaking English. It hurts them."

Asked whether their lessons help Korean students to develop their English abilities just five teachers said yes. "At first the students avoided me, but eventually they would try to come up and say something to me and were clearly working hard, and it seemed to be working," one said. But the other ten were unhappy, saying things such as, "teaching with large class sizes of 40 students or more, you can't really make a difference." Another criticized the uncooperative attitude of co-teachers: "When get almost no feedback from the head teacher about whether my lessons were good or bad, how am I supposed to know how to help the students?"

(Read the rest at the link)
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Xuanzang



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duh. Most teachers figure that out within the first 6 months.
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kinerry



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's pretty much true, and a huge explanation for the development of most countries.

Math related fields always prosper in countries that don't foster critical thinking. All math is, is a set of facts that don't change.

Critical thinking usually comes to fully developed nations at the cost of math related fields.

Think about it.
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ytuque



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kinerry wrote:
It's pretty much true, and a huge explanation for the development of most countries.

Math related fields always prosper in countries that don't foster critical thinking. All math is, is a set of facts that don't change.

Critical thinking usually comes to fully developed nations at the cost of math related fields.

Think about it.


Last report that I read had Finland at the top for high school math & science education. A number of European countries did as well as the Asian countries.

From your comments regarding math, it appears that you never studied it seriously.
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Seoul'n'Corea



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ytuque wrote:
kinerry wrote:
It's pretty much true, and a huge explanation for the development of most countries.

Math related fields always prosper in countries that don't foster critical thinking. All math is, is a set of facts that don't change.

Critical thinking usually comes to fully developed nations at the cost of math related fields.

Think about it.


Last report that I read had Finland at the top for high school math & science education. A number of European countries did as well as the Asian countries.

From your comments regarding math, it appears that you never studied it seriously.


Well, I know that Korean students are quite capable of creative and critical thinking skills, because my students (all girls) have demonstrated that they can do this.
It takes a good teacher to be able to set assignments up to do this!
Students actually like an interesting challenge once in awhile!

So, instead of pointing out the obvious... lets find out ways to make critical thinking possible.

Btw, I agree with all your posts... 20000%
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kinerry wrote:
It's pretty much true, and a huge explanation for the development of most countries.

Math related fields always prosper in countries that don't foster critical thinking. All math is, is a set of facts that don't change.

Critical thinking usually comes to fully developed nations at the cost of math related fields.

Think about it.


No, the real problem is that kids in the Korean public schools, are not encouraged to show their work when solving problems. It is just a bali bali mentality. So, for example, Korean kids who have gotten used to that type of learning environment, will tend to have trouble initially if they are suddenly in a Western high school classroom taking geometry where they are now not only required to show their work but to also explain each step with postulates, definitions, and relevent theorems.
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kinerry



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ytuque wrote:
kinerry wrote:
It's pretty much true, and a huge explanation for the development of most countries.

Math related fields always prosper in countries that don't foster critical thinking. All math is, is a set of facts that don't change.

Critical thinking usually comes to fully developed nations at the cost of math related fields.

Think about it.


Last report that I read had Finland at the top for high school math & science education. A number of European countries did as well as the Asian countries.

From your comments regarding math, it appears that you never studied it seriously.


I never studied seriously? Get a clue buddy.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Critical thinking is not at the forefront of education here. That is something that eventually will need to be adjusted. Then again I agree with the poster that said that it is up to Teachers to foster critical thinking through the activities they present in class. Korean students are quite capable of critical thinking...you just have to give them the chance to apply it.

Whats stopping you in your class?

Anyway the Korean education system has its flaws but that does not prevent a good teacher from doing something positive.....right?

As for math...the Korean kids I know in Public School in Canada (through friends and my wifes Korean friends) have ZERO trouble with geometry, math and other sciences and in fact consistently score top of the class. These are K-kids born in Korea that moved to Canada during or after elementary school....

The article does point to a relevant issue in education however.
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conrad2



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Korean friend of mine went to four year university in the States and majored in math. He said that the first two years were very easy for him and that he was at the top of all his classes. He said once he got to upper level classes, he had to actually apply math and use critical thinking and not just plug in formulas. He struggled with this and was just a mediocre student from that point on. He said his education in Korea didnt prepare him for this.
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Horangi Munshin



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a good calculus teacher in my final year of high school. We had bi-weekly assignments that really tested us on what we had done in regular classes. Engineering type problems etc. A paragraph with a few figures and a something to solve. These weren't a few lines of calculations then choose A/B/C/D of course. It usually involved a few pages of calculations with explanations.

When I did my teacher training, it was mentioned many times that some Asian students had more difficulty with these word problem exercises.
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beercanman



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This "good at math" stuff only goes so far. It's a very broad field and can be very complex, and for people who are really good at it, it requires great creativity and ingenuity. For some reason, many of the greatest mathematicians were European.
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horangi Munshin wrote:
I had a good calculus teacher in my final year of high school. We had bi-weekly assignments that really tested us on what we had done in regular classes. Engineering type problems etc. A paragraph with a few figures and a something to solve. These weren't a few lines of calculations then choose A/B/C/D of course. It usually involved a few pages of calculations with explanations.

When I did my teacher training, it was mentioned many times that some Asian students had more difficulty with these word problem exercises.


We had very similar high school math teachers. Wink
Damn...I hated that man at the time...but sure did think fondly of him in my math classes at university...he prepared his students well.Cool
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Critical thinking is not at the forefront of education here. That is something that eventually will need to be adjusted. Then again I agree with the poster that said that it is up to Teachers to foster critical thinking through the activities they present in class. Korean students are quite capable of critical thinking...you just have to give them the chance to apply it.

Whats stopping you in your class?

Anyway the Korean education system has its flaws but that does not prevent a good teacher from doing something positive.....right?

As for math...the Korean kids I know in Public School in Canada (through friends and my wifes Korean friends) have ZERO trouble with geometry, math and other sciences and in fact consistently score top of the class. These are K-kids born in Korea that moved to Canada during or after elementary school....
The article does point to a relevant issue in education however.


I wouldn't expect students, who came to North America during elementary school or shortly thereafter, to have trouble in a high school geometry class as they would have had plenty of time to assimilate by then. Also, its not surprising they are doing well given that Korean parents usually do place a lot of pressure on their kids to do well in school. Really, my comment is more readily applicable towards someone who switched from a Korean public high school to a Western classroom.

Honestly, I have seen this problem firsthand. Of course, without a doubt, part of the problem has to do with language difficulties, but based on my observations, I would definitely say that much of it does stem from them being used to just applying memorized formulas and previously not being encouraged to show their work. With that said, I have seen some very bright students quickly adapt and do very well by the end of the academic year. However, just as often, I have seen some clearly bright students continue to have trouble with the idea of proofs.
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winterfall



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To clarify, its not critical thinking, its independent thinking. They can figure out problems fine, you just need to tell them first. But give them anything implicit and it doesn't matter how much you explain, they can't do it.
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can describe American education as a system which promotes expansion of knowledge, and Korean education as one which values retention of knowledge.

I think if I asked my Korean freshmen which countries fought in World War II, they would have the correct answers right away. If I asked them, "How might the war have been different if Germany attacked Japan?" I would have twenty blank faces. They are not conditioned to that sort of speculative or abstract reasoning. I am not saying they can't ever do it or that a teacher can't nurture it, but it's not in their experience.

My freshmen when I taught as a grad student in the states would have no trouble with high-level argumentation. But it would have little factual basis. I would need to show them Europe on a map. Their knowledge would all be derived from Saving Private Ryan and Japanese anime. I would have sophisticated theories based on tanks with laser guns and women in plastic leather.
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