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black leah



Joined: 09 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:51 am    Post subject: getting hired as a person of color Reply with quote

So I am planning on moving to Korea from Taipei. Free apartment and salary instead of hourly are just too good to pass up. (my plan is to move in with friends if I can find someone who will give me a housing deposit instead of an apartment, actually).

So that's my plan but from what I've heard there might be one obstacle: I'm black. I saw the thread about not working for some city's public schools because of their hiring policies. One of the posters in that thread wrote something like "I can understand if it's a hagwon." Does that mean hagwon's wont hire me?

I've done a few searches, but the search engine for this site sucks.

So any insight would be great, especially from anyone who might be of color--- I know everyone thinks they know what's what, but someone who has lived it will be of more help, no offense.

thanks.
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm white with freckles.
So I am also a person of color.
Honestly if you have a good smile, and a friendly demeanor it doesn't matter.
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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The public schools will take ya as long as you have the qualifications.

Hagwons seem to be more image-heavy and tend to prefer white, attractive, North American women with no teaching experience.
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mattwhy



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My best friend is black and just spent 18 months or so in a hagwon. He just received a letter of recommendation from them in order to pursue another job in Korea this upcoming year.

Literally the first sentence is something along the lines of "we would have preferred a white teacher" and that they "had 'the anxiety factor'" before he came, but that in the end, he proved to be such a great teacher that the kids were complaining that they "missed their friend" when he left.

To deny that race is going to be an issue, I think, is naive. We all can't be young, white, blonde American females. I think the best thing you can do is work through a recruiter and make sure that you speak to them either in person or on the phone frequently. I think a lot of what they're afraid of is that you'll speak some "lesser" form of English, like they see in movies. Ensure that they know you're a college educated, well-mannered and well-spoken individual. If you've got your recruiter on your side, then you have a least one Korean who will fight for you, and that may be all you need. Applying directly to schools may get you thrown out as soon as they see your picture, which is awful, but from what I've experienced, may be all too common.
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Nexus11



Joined: 29 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Race will exclude you from some jobs. While there are some racist hagwon owners who have negative views of black teachers, the majority of discrimination is done out of fear that the parents won't like a non-white teacher.

What this really means is that the bottom-feeding hagwons who have to react to every complaint they hear from parents won't be interested in you. The stable ones with good reputations and good working conditions will have no problem hiring you. They are concerned with their overall public image, not reacting to complaints from the minority.

Look at it as an advantage. While it may take you slightly longer to find a position, you have less risk of ending up in a bad working situation.
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lizlemon



Joined: 05 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow, interesting and helpful advice. thanks. i'm middle eastern and i honestly didn't even consider the racism factor. canadian naivite i guess!
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Nexus11



Joined: 29 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lizlemon wrote:
wow, interesting and helpful advice. thanks. i'm middle eastern and i honestly didn't even consider the racism factor. canadian naivite i guess!


Being middle eastern, completely expect your students to refer to you as "terrorist teacher" or other such nicknames. As hard as it is to believe, these jokes aren't meant to be malicious. It is just that most of these kids have only been in contact with a handful of non-Koreans in their entire lives, most likely all white. Once you make it clear that those comments are NOT acceptable, they will be far less frequent.

Be prepared that they will never disappear completely, though. Korea is a conformist country so anything that makes you different will be commented on from time to time.
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Goon-Yang



Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Duh

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"a person of color" lol.
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outkast_3000



Joined: 20 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goon-Yang wrote:
"a person of color" lol.


Too politically correct for you?
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loyfriend



Joined: 03 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think as long as you play the race or ethnic card you are not proud of yourself. Korea does not give afirmitive action.

But, an educated colored person does not use that card. They know they have as much chance to get the job as the person next to them. Don't use colored card and you will be fine.

BTW, I have a friend from Haiti out here now. She works just fine at her school. To bad her mom and dad died yesterday.
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richardlang



Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loyfriend wrote:
They know they have as much chance to get the job as the person next to them.


I feel like a mosquito at a nudist colony. I just don't know where to start in terms of educating you about Korea.

By "affirmative action" in Korea, you mean non-racial preference -- i.e. merit only. Don't try to throw in AA when the conversation isn't about quotas, it's about the hope against all odds (i.e. reality in Korea) that the hiring of a teacher in/to Korea will be based upon his or her merit, not race.

Sure, non-whites looking for a job in Korea can, and should, have all the hope in the universe that they will be considered on their merits only. However, Korea isn't well known for avoiding race as a determination/consideration for hiring teachers. K-land doesn't stick to merits only, sir.

Read mattwhy, Nexus11, and many others for evidence why you're wrong.


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black leah



Joined: 09 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loyfriend wrote:
I think as long as you play the race or ethnic card you are not proud of yourself. Korea does not give afirmitive action.

But, an educated colored person does not use that card. They know they have as much chance to get the job as the person next to them. Don't use colored card and you will be fine.

BTW, I have a friend from Haiti out here now. She works just fine at her school. To bad her mom and dad died yesterday.


First, I'd like to thank everyone for posting. But I have to say I have no idea what to make of this post. Everything else said in this thread says race/skin color will be an issue. Everything I've been told says it will be an issue. And then 'loyfriend' comes and says I'm not proud of myself. WTF? Does this mean the guy who started the thread about the city that wouldn't hire blacks for their public schools isn't proud of himself? Martin Luther King Jr, played the 'race card' all the time.

As for why i said person of color, when I was at a bar last weekend everyone said that I should join and post to find out, but to be careful since the site banned a lot of people for things they say. So I was just trying to be PC and avoid controversy. Not everyone can be as cool as Harry Reid, after all.
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oskinny1



Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loyfriend wrote:
I think as long as you play the race or ethnic card you are not proud of yourself. Korea does not give afirmitive action.

But, an educated colored person does not use that card. They know they have as much chance to get the job as the person next to them. Don't use colored card and you will be fine.

BTW, I have a friend from Haiti out here now. She works just fine at her school. To bad her mom and dad died yesterday.


Wow! Keeping it classy I see! Especially with that last line.


black leah, just speak in a Caucasian (person devoid of colour) dialect and you will be fine! Wink
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Bondrock



Joined: 08 Oct 2006
Location: ^_^

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

black leah wrote:
loyfriend wrote:
I think as long as you play the race or ethnic card you are not proud of yourself. Korea does not give afirmitive action.

But, an educated colored person does not use that card. They know they have as much chance to get the job as the person next to them. Don't use colored card and you will be fine.

BTW, I have a friend from Haiti out here now. She works just fine at her school. To bad her mom and dad died yesterday.


First, I'd like to thank everyone for posting. But I have to say I have no idea what to make of this post. Everything else said in this thread says race/skin color will be an issue. Everything I've been told says it will be an issue. And then 'loyfriend' comes and says I'm not proud of myself. WTF? Does this mean the guy who started the thread about the city that wouldn't hire blacks for their public schools isn't proud of himself? Martin Luther King Jr, played the 'race card' all the time.

As for why i said person of color, when I was at a bar last weekend everyone said that I should join and post to find out, but to be careful since the site banned a lot of people for things they say. So I was just trying to be PC and avoid controversy. Not everyone can be as cool as Harry Reid, after all.


Harry Reid would have been "cool" back in the Rat Pack days. he is just cold now.

Ignore posters like "loyfriend".

Race does play a part, sad but true. And, Korea is often a big crap-shoot. Some jobs are terrible, some are so-so and some are great.

Not everyone in the world understands the hassles faced by visible minorities, educated or no.

The OP sounds like a sensible person. Good luck to you.
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loyfriend



Joined: 03 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Race does play a part, sad but true. And, Korea is often a big crap-shoot. Some jobs are terrible, some are so-so and some are great.


Lets ask Obama, Condoleezza Rice , Benjamin O. Davis, Dr. Daniel Hale Williams if they let the race card play a role when they tried and achieved their dreams.


I am sorry, I just see a educated person as someone who doesn�t let anything stand in their way to whatever they desire.

It seems every few weeks this topic comes up. Where I am at their are three black people working. two for hagwons and one for the public school.

None of them play the race card when looking for a job. It be the same as someone saying they are to old or had a disability, thus they wouldn't try.

And not trying means giving up on yourself and being your own worst enemy. Self confidence and reassurance comes from within in the way one holds and presents themselves to others.
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