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Fox

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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: 6 Historic Villains W/ Impressive Careers |
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Article here. Have a read, it's somewhat interesting, and occasionally funny too (particularly the Aaron Burr section). The Neville Chamberlain section is nice too. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Here is a great one- Daniel Edgar Sickles
American Civil War General and Tammany Hall politician. Many historians of the Civil War regard him as a 'villain' though lately his reputation has risen somewhat.
First he married a 15 year old girl when he was 33.
Later, Sickles was a State Senator who 'shocked' polite society by entering the New York State Assemble in the company of a known prostitute. I believe he was censured for this.
He was later elected to Congress during the run-up to the Civil War.
In 1859 he shot and killed Philip Barton Key, the son of Francis Scott Key, for having a blatant affair with his wife.
He avoided conviction for murder by using America's first recorded instance of the Temporary Insanity Defense. He was represented by noted Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton.
He also forgave his wife for the affair, an act which smeared his reputation far more than the shooting.
Sickles recruited and led a brigade in the Civil War, fighting in the Army of the Potomac. (Back then politicians who voted for wars often went and fought and died in them), Although he had no formal military training he was at the least, brave, and had a basic instinct as to war and therefore was a competant if not spectacular commander. When he assumed command of the IIIrd Corps, his troops gained a reputation as the "Bad Boys" of the Army of the Potomac for their drinking and fighting.
It should be noted that the first day of the battle of Gettysburg, he displayed the proper battlefield initiative and marched his troops to the sound of guns to reinforce the Federals who were outnumbered and desperately holding off the Rebels. Meanwhile, a Union West Pointer sat and dithered for hours before marching his Corps to the battlefield.
At the Battle of Gettysburg he led a Corps and engaged in one of the most controversial actions of the Civil War when he moved his Corps to an unauthorized position on July 2nd. Historians still debate whether his action jeopordized the Union position or served as a breakwater against the initial Confederate onslaught, thereby allowing Union reinforcements to come-up and throwing a wrench into Lee's initial plan.
Sickles was wounded in the battle, losing his leg. As he was being carried off the battlefield he lit up a cigar and cheered on his men. His leg bone is still on display at the National Museum of Health and Medicine.
For his actions at Gettysburg (and through political maneouvering) he was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.
Post-War he served as Minister to Spain where he allegedly carried on an affair with the deposed nymphomaniac Queen Isabella II.
He later sherved as Sheriff of New York and then returned to Congress. He was instrumental in having the battlefield at Gettysburg preserved and proper monuments put into place.
He died in 1914 and is buried in Arlington National Cemetary.
Now THAT is a life. |
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Fox

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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:44 am Post subject: |
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That is a life. Anyone who both has a leg bone on display in a museum and had an affair with a queen can count their life thoroughly lived if nothing else. |
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beercanman
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Have you seen a picture of Queen Isabella II ? Ugly. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Here is a great one- Daniel Edgar Sickles
American Civil War General and Tammany Hall politician. Many historians of the Civil War regard him as a 'villain' though lately his reputation has risen somewhat.
First he married a 15 year old girl when he was 33.
Later, Sickles was a State Senator who 'shocked' polite society by entering the New York State Assemble in the company of a known prostitute. I believe he was censured for this.
He was later elected to Congress during the run-up to the Civil War.
In 1859 he shot and killed Philip Barton Key, the son of Francis Scott Key, for having a blatant affair with his wife.
He avoided conviction for murder by using America's first recorded instance of the Temporary Insanity Defense. He was represented by noted Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton.
He also forgave his wife for the affair, an act which smeared his reputation far more than the shooting.
Sickles recruited and led a brigade in the Civil War, fighting in the Army of the Potomac. (Back then politicians who voted for wars often went and fought and died in them), Although he had no formal military training he was at the least, brave, and had a basic instinct as to war and therefore was a competant if not spectacular commander. When he assumed command of the IIIrd Corps, his troops gained a reputation as the "Bad Boys" of the Army of the Potomac for their drinking and fighting.
It should be noted that the first day of the battle of Gettysburg, he displayed the proper battlefield initiative and marched his troops to the sound of guns to reinforce the Federals who were outnumbered and desperately holding off the Rebels. Meanwhile, a Union West Pointer sat and dithered for hours before marching his Corps to the battlefield.
At the Battle of Gettysburg he led a Corps and engaged in one of the most controversial actions of the Civil War when he moved his Corps to an unauthorized position on July 2nd. Historians still debate whether his action jeopordized the Union position or served as a breakwater against the initial Confederate onslaught, thereby allowing Union reinforcements to come-up and throwing a wrench into Lee's initial plan.
Sickles was wounded in the battle, losing his leg. As he was being carried off the battlefield he lit up a cigar and cheered on his men. His leg bone is still on display at the National Museum of Health and Medicine.
For his actions at Gettysburg (and through political maneouvering) he was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.
Post-War he served as Minister to Spain where he allegedly carried on an affair with the deposed nymphomaniac Queen Isabella II.
He later sherved as Sheriff of New York and then returned to Congress. He was instrumental in having the battlefield at Gettysburg preserved and proper monuments put into place.
He died in 1914 and is buried in Arlington National Cemetary.
Now THAT is a life. |
Except for him murdering the guy, it sounds like most of the stuff that he did was politically or socially incorrect. I don't pay much attention to experts that are public apologists. |
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young_clinton
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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John Wilkes Booth was an enormously succesfull actor right? and then he whacked Lincoln who wanted to and could have kept congress from ruining the defeated south.
Is it possible that modern succesful entertainers have about as much smarts as John Wilkes Booth? Remember the Dixie Chicks and thier idiotic comments about Goerge Bush jr. that got them booed. |
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matthews_world
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Some of the U.S. politicians who supported or had socialist or communist agendas back in the '40's and '50's were certainly unpopular.
George Bush, Jr. made the list?
Howard Hughes - squandered government money developing his lofty aircraft ideas.
There's the U.S. general, who's name escapes me, who massacred a tribe of Indians in South Dakota maybe when a deaf Indian refused to disarm. |
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Fox

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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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young_clinton wrote: |
John Wilkes Booth was an enormously succesfull actor right? and then he whacked Lincoln who wanted to and could have kept congress from ruining the defeated south.
Is it possible that modern succesful entertainers have about as much smarts as John Wilkes Booth? Remember the Dixie Chicks and thier idiotic comments about Goerge Bush jr. that got them booed. |
To be clear, are you seriously trying to liken Abraham Lincoln -- one of America's greatest presidents -- being assassinated to George W. Bush -- one of America's worst presidents -- being spoken ill of? |
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jvalmer

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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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young_clinton wrote: |
Remember the Dixie Chicks and thier idiotic comments about Goerge Bush jr. that got them booed. |
What idiotic comments? Their comments were spot on. |
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